momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Zatman said: Rafa Benitez spent 89 million as Newcastle manager in the Premier League and build a system Steve Bruce has spent 90 million more to that team and hasnt improved them including less goals, more conceded and similar points If you want to attribute player transfers on managers: Newcastle spent, including Joelinton, substracting for sales, under Bruce: £70m. Smith, in that exact same period of time spent £230m. I am not going to do the math for Benitez, but bear in mind the inflation in prices the last few years. If you guys want to bash a manager, then get the facts straight. I never disliked Bruce as a man, even if I find his football boring. Yet the man is getting results, and he should be acknowledged for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, momo said: If you want to attribute player transfers on managers: Newcastle spent, including Joelinton, substracting for sales, under Bruce: £70m. Smith, in that exact same period of time spent £230m. I am not going to do the math for Benitez, but bear in mind the inflation in prices the last few years. If you guys want to bash a manager, then get the facts straight. I never disliked Bruce as a man, even if I find his football boring. Yet the man is getting results, and he should be acknowledged for that. If only Bruce didn’t waste so much money at Villa that he had to rely on loans which then meant we had to buy a new team, eh!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, avfcDJ said: If only Bruce didn’t waste so much money at Villa that he had to rely on loans which then meant we had to buy a new team, eh!? Jeez. Benitez spent a lot of money too. The strongest team to get up from the Championship in the entire history of English football. Yet, his only achievements with Newcastle was avoiding the drop two seasons in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, momo said: If you want to attribute player transfers on managers: Newcastle spent, including Joelinton, substracting for sales, under Bruce: £70m. Smith, in that exact same period of time spent £230m. I am not going to do the math for Benitez, but bear in mind the inflation in prices the last few years. If you guys want to bash a manager, then get the facts straight. I never disliked Bruce as a man, even if I find his football boring. Yet the man is getting results, and he should be acknowledged for that. not sure what Smith has to do with Bruce and Benitez argument which discredits your argument 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Zatman said: not sure what Smith has to do with Bruce and Benitez argument which discredits your argument Sure it does. If you use the spending argument as a point, I can point to several clubs that have spent more than Newcastle and done worse. I don't understand the hate towards Bruce. You guys are trying to use every little argument in the world to prove your point. And my point is, he has done his job. Do you really think buying Callum Wilson and Jamal Lewis is going to make them challenge for trophies? Oooh, he spent more than Benitez?? hahahah, Benitez got a £40m striker. And left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, momo said: Sure it does. If you use the spending argument as a point, I can point to several clubs that have spent more than Newcastle and done worse. I don't understand the hate towards Bruce. You guys are trying to use every little argument in the world to prove your point. And my point is, he has done his job. Do you really think buying Callum Wilson and Jamal Lewis is going to make them challenge for trophies? Oooh, he spent more than Benitez?? hahahah, Benitez got a £40m striker. And left. no but should take them up the table on the squad Rafa left. struggling at home to Fulham, beaten by Brentford in the cup and slaughtered by Leeds is not really a sign of progression Which 40 million striker did Rafa get? Rafa left on 30th June and Joelinton joined late July 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, momo said: Sure it does. If you use the spending argument as a point, I can point to several clubs that have spent more than Newcastle and done worse. I don't understand the hate towards Bruce. You guys are trying to use every little argument in the world to prove your point. And my point is, he has done his job. Do you really think buying Callum Wilson and Jamal Lewis is going to make them challenge for trophies? Oooh, he spent more than Benitez?? hahahah, Benitez got a £40m striker. And left. I mean Joelinton was signed 1 month after Benitez left but sure, great point. It's almost as good as the 44 points Bruce got is more than the 45 Benitez got... Edited December 28, 2020 by sne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 18:35, Zatman said: no but should take them up the table on the squad Rafa left. struggling at home to Fulham, beaten by Brentford in the cup and slaughtered by Leeds is not really a sign of progression Which 40 million striker did Rafa get? Rafa left on 30th June and Joelinton joined late July Tell me about that squad he left? No striker, no Ayoze Perez, and he left because Rondon was being replaced with a striker he didn't deem good enough!!!! What shit squad was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 18:36, sne said: I mean Joelinton was signed 1 month after Benitez left but sure, great point. It's almost as good as the 44 points Bruce got is more than the 45 Benitez got... he left because Rondon was being replaced with a striker he didn't deem good enough!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted December 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 18:39, momo said: he left because Rondon was being replaced with a striker he didn't deem good enough!!!! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, sne said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 18:39, momo said: Tell me about that squad he left? No striker, no Ayoze Perez, and he left because Rondon was being replaced with a striker he didn't deem good enough!!!! What shit squad was that? Ayoze left after Rafa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted December 28, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Joelinton isn’t good enough, so Rafa was right...? Edited December 28, 2020 by fightoffyour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, momo said: Sure it does. If you use the spending argument as a point, I can point to several clubs that have spent more than Newcastle and done worse. I don't understand the hate towards Bruce. You guys are trying to use every little argument in the world to prove your point. And my point is, he has done his job. Do you really think buying Callum Wilson and Jamal Lewis is going to make them challenge for trophies? Oooh, he spent more than Benitez?? hahahah, Benitez got a £40m striker. And left. Nobody thinks they should be challenging for trophies. Which clubs have spent more than Newcastle and done worse? Smith is irrelevant. The point on spend related to a comparison between Bruce and Benitez. Benitez didn’t get a £40m striker. Honestly... you seem to have no grasp on reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 hours ago, momo said: Yet the man is getting results, and he should be acknowledged for that. Current climate yeah maybe but personally even on TV its still a no from me Normal football where its £500+ for a season ticket and £100+ per away game, nope, absolutely not a chance Merely getting a result every other 2 weeks isn't enough when the football is so bad, paying £100 for 25% possession and 1 shot on goal isn't good enough regardless of what the result is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 18:39, momo said: he left because Rondon was being replaced with a striker he didn't deem good enough!!!! You keep saying this but it’s incorrect, Rafa left as he has stated himself because he wanted full control of transfers. The replacement for Rondon didn’t happen until quite a long time after he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: You keep saying this but it’s incorrect, Rafa left as he has stated himself because he wanted full control of transfers. The replacement for Rondon didn’t happen until quite a long time after he left. I'd take anything Rafa said over leaving with a huge pinch of salt He left because his Chinese club offered a wage that any team in Europe would have laughed at, you can blame rondon, Ashley or anyone else at Newcastle but he's now something like the 3rd highest paid manager in world football, the spin that the media bought in to was incredibly well played 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: I'd take anything Rafa said over leaving with a huge pinch of salt He left because his Chinese club offered a wage that any team in Europe would have laughed at, you can blame rondon, Ashley or anyone else at Newcastle but he's now something like the 3rd highest paid manager in world football, the spin that the media bought in to was incredibly well played Perhaps. But what he says carries more weight than mono’s claim re Rondon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Perhaps. But what he says carries more weight than mono’s claim re Rondon. I actually don't think it does tbh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, TrentVilla said: You keep saying this but it’s incorrect, Rafa left as he has stated himself because he wanted full control of transfers. The replacement for Rondon didn’t happen until quite a long time after he left. Benitez wanted to wait before signing the contract. When he saw what kind of team he was getting, he ran all the way to china. It is 100% certain that your boy didn't want Joelinton. But you're just want to make a point about Bruce being a shit manager, that you don't want to accept that he did better with a team than Benitez thought he himself would do. Or standing still, or whatever. It's like you think Benitez would magically make this exact team play like Barcelona 2012, while the truth is they probably would be standing still regardless of which of the two manages them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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