lapal_fan Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'd rather have Bacuna at RB than Hutton. He offers more going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Can't pass but made arguably two of the best passes for us this season. That pass to Hutton against Bournemouth and the one to Cleverley. Can't pass though. They were great passes, for sure, but are hardly indicative of his overall passing ability. It's all about consistency at this level; if he could do that a lot more frequently, he'd be a much better player but he's just as likely to give it to the opposition as he is play a scintillating through ball. It's really not "all about consistency". At any level of football. It's about scoring more goals than the opposition and you could argue that is really all it is about. In that respect for me, Bacuna is worth his defensive deficiencies. Edited July 14, 2015 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannockVillan Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Can't pass but made arguably two of the best passes for us this season. That pass to Hutton against Bournemouth and the one to Cleverley. Can't pass though. They were great passes, for sure, but are hardly indicative of his overall passing ability. It's all about consistency at this level; if he could do that a lot more frequently, he'd be a much better player but he's just as likely to give it to the opposition as he is play a scintillating through ball. It's really not "all about consistency". At any level of football. It's about scoring more goals than the opposition and you could argue that is really all it is about. In that respect for me, Bacuna is worth his defensive deficiencies. Of course there are two sides to how you score more goals than the opposition. 1. Score more 2. Concede less So his defensive deficiencies would certainly have a place in the discussion as it goes directly to point 2. That said I have never liked Hutton in a Villa shirt. It's hard to defend some of his (how shall I call them) "aggressive" antics on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Can't pass but made arguably two of the best passes for us this season. That pass to Hutton against Bournemouth and the one to Cleverley. Can't pass though.They were great passes, for sure, but are hardly indicative of his overall passing ability. It's all about consistency at this level; if he could do that a lot more frequently, he'd be a much better player but he's just as likely to give it to the opposition as he is play a scintillating through ball. It's really not "all about consistency". At any level of football. It's about scoring more goals than the opposition and you could argue that is really all it is about. In that respect for me, Bacuna is worth his defensive deficiencies. Of course there are two sides to how you score more goals than the opposition. 1. Score more 2. Concede less So his defensive deficiencies would certainly have a place in the discussion as it goes directly to point 2. I covered that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Hutton is a lot more defensively solid though - that's why I'd prefer him to Bacuna. Really though, I'd like us to sign someone better than both of them. Against lower half teams. Hutton got taken to the cleaners v Arsenal. Maybe play Bacuna in home games and Hutton in the away games is what Sherwood might do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Yeah but Bacuna gets taken to the cleaner by QPR level teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Yeah but Bacuna gets taken to the cleaner by QPR level teams. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Hutton is a lot more defensively solid though - that's why I'd prefer him to Bacuna. Really though, I'd like us to sign someone better than both of them. Against lower half teams. Hutton got taken to the cleaners v Arsenal. Maybe play Bacuna in home games and Hutton in the away games is what Sherwood might do. Or maybe get a new bloody RB! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Can't pass but made arguably two of the best passes for us this season. That pass to Hutton against Bournemouth and the one to Cleverley. Can't pass though. They were great passes, for sure, but are hardly indicative of his overall passing ability. It's all about consistency at this level; if he could do that a lot more frequently, he'd be a much better player but he's just as likely to give it to the opposition as he is play a scintillating through ball. It's really not "all about consistency". At any level of football. It's about scoring more goals than the opposition and you could argue that is really all it is about. In that respect for me, Bacuna is worth his defensive deficiencies. So it's not about consistency, unless you score more goals than the opposition as regularly as possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Yeah but Bacuna gets taken to the cleaner by QPR level teams. Sigh. Didn't watch that one then? EDIT - In fact, that game summed up his abilities very well. Did well going forward but defensively poor. I'd rather just play him as a winger. Edited July 15, 2015 by lexicon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) Can't pass but made arguably two of the best passes for us this season. That pass to Hutton against Bournemouth and the one to Cleverley. Can't pass though.They were great passes, for sure, but are hardly indicative of his overall passing ability. It's all about consistency at this level; if he could do that a lot more frequently, he'd be a much better player but he's just as likely to give it to the opposition as he is play a scintillating through ball.It's really not "all about consistency". At any level of football. It's about scoring more goals than the opposition and you could argue that is really all it is about. In that respect for me, Bacuna is worth his defensive deficiencies. So it's not about consistency, unless you score more goals than the opposition as regularly as possible... I assumed you were talking about consistency within a game, as in movement to movement, because his goal/assist to minute ratio is excellent. As we have already discussed. Edited July 15, 2015 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Hutton is a lot more defensively solid though - that's why I'd prefer him to Bacuna. Really though, I'd like us to sign someone better than both of them. Against lower half teams. Hutton got taken to the cleaners v Arsenal. Maybe play Bacuna in home games and Hutton in the away games is what Sherwood might do. In fairness the WHOLE team got taken to the cleaners against Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Can't pass but made arguably two of the best passes for us this season. That pass to Hutton against Bournemouth and the one to Cleverley. Can't pass though. They were great passes, for sure, but are hardly indicative of his overall passing ability. It's all about consistency at this level; if he could do that a lot more frequently, he'd be a much better player but he's just as likely to give it to the opposition as he is play a scintillating through ball. It's really not "all about consistency". At any level of football. It's about scoring more goals than the opposition and you could argue that is really all it is about. In that respect for me, Bacuna is worth his defensive deficiencies. So it's not about consistency, unless you score more goals than the opposition as regularly as possible... I assumed you were talking about consistency within a game, as in movement to movement, because his goal/assist to minute ratio is excellent. As we have already discussed. Consistency is consistency - playing to a good standard throughout games and seasons. He is consistently bad at defending but has shown some consistency in attacking terms. All that shows is that if we're giving him game time, he needs to be in an attacking role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think he is a winger now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Personally if he is to start I think it should only be right back, if he can just improve the defensive side of his game a little (easy said) he would be very good there. I just don't think he has enough in his game to push for a start anywhere else. He could play on the wing but he'd need to be a hug the touch line winger and that doesn't really fit in with the likely formations and he doesn't really take on players, his runs are about space, pace and timing which he utilises quite well at right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I think he is a winger now. Good, I think he can do a much better job there and is athletic enough to track back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I thought he was pretty awful yesterday tbh. For me he is second choice right back, mainly because we can’t afford £8m on a better replacement. For the right midfielder/wing we need someone with more pace and guile - a genuine threat. Something in the mould of Chamberlain or Townsend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 He will never make it as a full back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 He really shouldn't be a regular starter. Back up rb for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 this is the problem with utility players, they're not very good anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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