Popular Post Czechlad Posted August 27, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2016 5 hours ago, rodders0223 said: It was the Arsenal game last year when Giroud breezed past him from a standing start that I knew there was no coming back for this guy. I am not sure how much pace he had before he game but his body looks like it has just gone after those injuries. That game you are mentioning had a barely fit Okore playing. I don't remember 100%, but I am pretty sure I remember hearing Okore needed injections just to get on the pitch to play. We had 1 fit center back in the whole club aside from youth, and Okore was still a couple weeks from returning to full fitness but he had to be rushed back just to field a capable XI. I really think selling Okore is a bad idea. If he has asked to leave because he isn't going to be getting first team minutes, that is one thing and I can understand us selling then. BUT if we are selling because RDM doesn't rate him, I worry. Okore is a good defender, especially at this level. I know the counter argument will be well look at the Luton match and how shit he looked. Yea in the 2nd half he looked shit, but in the first half when he was paired with Baker and didn't have to cover 2 positions, Okore looked decent. It was only when suicide runs Richards came in Okore looked poor. Even in the last two premier league seasons, Okore and his partner always looked decent and made his center back partner look much more secure on defense. There was a stretch where Okore-Clark was our center back pairing due to injury, and guess what? They looked awesome together. Then it was Okore-Vlaar and again they looked good. Okore-Baker, Okore-Vlaar, Okore-Clark, and even Okore-Lescott looked good the few times they played together. He is a good defender. Keep him if we possibly can. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted August 27, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Czechlad said: I really think selling Okore is a bad idea. If he has asked to leave because he isn't going to be getting first team minutes, that is one thing and I can understand us selling then. ... He is a good defender. Keep him if we possibly can. I think it is this. I think RDM is having him as a squad player. Certainly he has been involved with some of the positive press over the last 2 months I'm sure. I also thought he had picked up a knock; hence why not on the bench or is that not correct? Anyway still think he is in RDM's plans just not as first choice. The whole Eric Black thing; never will truly know, but I believe Okore over Black, he's a more "credible witness". However it certainly suggests Okore wants first team football. Would he get that at Copenhagen? Probably. I don't think RDM and Tony would keep him unnecessarily but because of the lateness are probably scratching around the loan market for a replacement as there's no point buying another CD when we have just bought 2 and we should only buy players to improve. Think we would loan a player for cover/competition. Anyway he certainly was not one of the worst; I would have wished Richards/Lescott gone before him. Hope he does well if he goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 His contract is running down and I can't see him playing much, so fair enough to let him go, though it leaves us a bit light for cover. It's sad because I think he could have been a decent player but ever since his bad injury he has seemed slow over the first few yards and it has often cost us as he's always been on the back foot, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Czechlad said: He is a good defender. Keep him if we possibly can. He is crap, and has mostly been crap since he arrived apart from a couple of decent games. His positioning is awful, his attitude is dreadful and he has no reedeming qualities what so ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I think the injury killed what could have become a very good player. He can no longer play in the same style he used to and I'm not sure he has what it takes to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 27, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2016 28 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: His contract is running down and I can't see him playing much, so fair enough to let him go, though it leaves us a bit light for cover. It's sad because I think he could have been a decent player but ever since his bad injury he has seemed slow over the first few yards and it has often cost us as he's always been on the back foot, Yeah he is into his last year, and as you say won't be playing much. For me it's a massive shame, as he came with so much promise, but the knee injury rocked him, and by reports his return was handled poorly. He's still young enough to go away and rebuild himself, and come back stronger, if he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Time to get rid of this one - seen enough to make an opinion that he is not going to be good enough for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Where's he off to then? Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tayls said: Where's he off to then? Germany? FC Copenhagen just qualified for the Champions League so it's been suggested he's off to them. They have a somewhat solid albeit aging CB group so it's not impossible... Edited August 27, 2016 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Tayls said: Where's he off to then? Germany? FC Copenhagen apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Czechlad said: He is a good defender. Keep him if we possibly can. I fail to see how anyone can hold this opinion. He has demonstrated throughout his villa career that he's not good enough. Yet another player too many people look at with claret and blue glasses on. If he was playing for another team everyone would be calling him the Danish Titus bramble. Nigel reo-coker syndrome. Not that I need to prove my point, the fact that we are giving him away says it all and that he's 4th choice centre back in a championship team, but we signed Lescott and richards to play ahead of him because he was deemed worse than those two. Yes you read that right, lescott and richards! Bye jores, glad to see you leave. Edited August 27, 2016 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Lambert's hit rate really is low. Okore has never lived up to the hype and Luton meant his time was up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 12 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Lambert's hit rate really is low. Okore has never lived up to the hype and Luton meant his time was up. His time was up long before Luton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 9 hours ago, momo said: He is too good for the Danish league. If that was the case other clubs woukd have come in for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 20 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: If that was the case other clubs woukd have come in for him Sure, that's how it works.... I have seen enough of him to know that he is good enough for Villa. But your opinion might differ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 He apparently wants out. Per Dr Tony the Luton game was a chance for certain players to prove themselves (paraphrasing) and he had a mare. On balance then, not surprising he is going and take your pick on the reason. Personally I think there is a good player in there but to be blunt we cannot afford to give him the chances to prove that. Get him off the wage bill, get a fee albeit small and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) The Danish league might be pretty weak, but FCK play in Europe every year, either in the CL or Europa League. They have loads of Swedish, Danish and Norwegian nationals in their squad and Okore is probably on par with them (if that). FWIW Daniel Agger moved home to Bröndby a few years back from Liverpool, he was 28 at the time. Only issue is if they would be willing to pay his wages, sure they can afford it, but is he wort it? Edited August 27, 2016 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I had the same opinion as Czechlad....before the Luton game. In the last few years our best defensive runs have come with Okore as a regular....14/15 him and Clark were excellent for a few months (and Clark has generally been rubbish playing with pretty much everyone else) and even in the car crash of last season we kept clean sheets v Palace, West Brom and Norwich with him in the team in what was our best defensive run by a mile. Then he had a shocker in the Liverpool 0-6 game and that seems to have convinced everyone he's rubbish. He barely played after that in any case. You have to remember he was leaving in the summer and seems RDM changed his mind hence him being involved in the first few games. Hasn't been seen since Luton. That own goal was ridiculous so can understand why RDM lost faith in him from that moment and signed Chester the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 His injuries have robbed him of the pace he showed when he first broke into the team (and at his previous club). He has showed no signs of recovering that sort of speed which suggests he never will. His pace allowed him to recover from positioning errors and as we saw last season, he was caught out too often. On top of this his attitude absolutely stinks as evidence by his comments towards the start of pre-season. Clearly as things stand he is our third best centre half. He may do somethings better than Elphick but Elphick's intangibles (leadership and organisation skills) are far superior to Okore, making him a better presence and more effective player. Chester to me just looks a lot more solid and is the better all round player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 2 hours ago, momo said: Sure, that's how it works.... I have seen enough of him to know that he is good enough for Villa. But your opinion might differ. Your living off his past games, truth is he has been shite for us ever since he came back from his injury. Maybe had a couple decent games but he us pants. His defensive e performance against league two Luton wAs embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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