lapal_fan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 He probably wouldn't want to sign a 5 year deal, unless it had a % increment, a relegation clause, an asking price trigger and a packet of Malteasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2014 give someone a new long term deal after a handful of good games? Sounds familiar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 give someone a new long term deal after a handful of good games? Sounds familiar... would you prefer to run his contract down and leave for peanuts like Delph and Vlaar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Think its unfair to criticise Lambert over the timing of Okores appearances. As others have said, he still looked way off the pace in pre-season. The Vlaar-Senderos partnership at the start of the season had everyone drooling and few would have suggested we break that pairing up. ironically, a few months later, Senderos now finds himself in the position that Okore was in back in August. When Lamberts hand was forced, he went with, firstly Baker and then Clark. It has to be said that even with hindsight, he got those shouts right as neither player let us down. Okore got his chance recently and has certainly taken it. We are frequently seeing glimpses of the player we thought we were getting when he first joined. For their age, both Clark and Baker are mature players, purely because they have been thrown in at the deep end at an early age, Okore also shows signs of maturity beyond his years. None are the finished article yet but all three, coupled with Senderos (and the fact we seem to be hovering above the relegation scrap) makes me hope that Vlaar leaves in January and that we get some cash for him. I'd be more than happy to pair any two of the remaining four together between now & the end of the season-Even three if Saturdays system is deployed again. With Hutton & Ally also putting in consistent performances, the defence is the least of our worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2014 give someone a new long term deal after a handful of good games? Sounds familiar... would you prefer to run his contract down and leave for peanuts like Delph and Vlaar? He's still got 4 years left though right? Give him a new contract in the summer when he's proved his worth over the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Maybe he's playing well because he's ready now?? He could have been ready earlier as well but just couldn't get into the team because of how well the other 3 CBs were performing, and rightly so. Without trying to sound like a broken record, if Lambert didn't think he was ready he would have played Herd or someone when the other CBs got injured.You might be right but it seems a massive coincidence that the exact moment he's ready is the exact moment there are no other fit defendersThat probably wasn't the exact moment he was ready. But that was a good opportunity to give him a chance. And he's taken it. I agree with that, I just think there were other chances he could have come in which could have helped us and stopped okore getting frustrated. If we hadn't had injuries what would be looking at? Probably okore wanting to leave in a couple of weeks. It's not really an issue to criticise Lambert over, it's not an easy one where there's a clear right way to do everything. But at the same time IMO it wasn't handled perfectly and actually we've been fortunate that we've now got a top player happy and playing week in week out. What would managing him perfectly entail then? Putting him in the team earlier at the expense of well-performing CBs and possibly before he's ready? Just to keep him happy so we don't lose him (which wasn't going to happen anyway, and if it did it would have been on loan). That's not good management, or even realistic management. You keep saying well performing cb. He could have replaced clark after he was poor against arsenal. He could have replaced baker after the Chelsea game and consecutive 3-0 losses. He could have replaced Clark after his poor performance against QPR. After that poor performance he could have been on the bench against Everton and replaced baker when he got injured. Crazy to look back on that spell and think there were no realistic opportunities for okore to come into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 You seem to be working very hard to discredit lambert here. Fair enough but not sure on yor motivations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Maybe he's playing well because he's ready now?? He could have been ready earlier as well but just couldn't get into the team because of how well the other 3 CBs were performing, and rightly so. Without trying to sound like a broken record, if Lambert didn't think he was ready he would have played Herd or someone when the other CBs got injured. You might be right but it seems a massive coincidence that the exact moment he's ready is the exact moment there are no other fit defendersI was waiting to see if anyone would say this. Remarkable that the time he was ready is just when we had a load of injuries. Quite incredible. Very lucky for us as well. Jores is a chief. Great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 give someone a new long term deal after a handful of good games? Sounds familiar... would you prefer to run his contract down and leave for peanuts like Delph and Vlaar? He's still got 4 years left though right? Give him a new contract in the summer when he's proved his worth over the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted December 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2014 Maybe he's playing well because he's ready now?? He could have been ready earlier as well but just couldn't get into the team because of how well the other 3 CBs were performing, and rightly so. Without trying to sound like a broken record, if Lambert didn't think he was ready he would have played Herd or someone when the other CBs got injured.You might be right but it seems a massive coincidence that the exact moment he's ready is the exact moment there are no other fit defendersThat probably wasn't the exact moment he was ready. But that was a good opportunity to give him a chance. And he's taken it.I agree with that, I just think there were other chances he could have come in which could have helped us and stopped okore getting frustrated. If we hadn't had injuries what would be looking at? Probably okore wanting to leave in a couple of weeks. It's not really an issue to criticise Lambert over, it's not an easy one where there's a clear right way to do everything. But at the same time IMO it wasn't handled perfectly and actually we've been fortunate that we've now got a top player happy and playing week in week out. What would managing him perfectly entail then? Putting him in the team earlier at the expense of well-performing CBs and possibly before he's ready? Just to keep him happy so we don't lose him (which wasn't going to happen anyway, and if it did it would have been on loan). That's not good management, or even realistic management. You keep saying well performing cb. He could have replaced clark after he was poor against arsenal. He could have replaced baker after the Chelsea game and consecutive 3-0 losses. He could have replaced Clark after his poor performance against QPR. After that poor performance he could have been on the bench against Everton and replaced baker when he got injured. Crazy to look back on that spell and think there were no realistic opportunities for okore to come into the team. There were realistic options. The manager chose someone else. What's the issue here? We are told he wasn't quite there, all hell would have broke lose if he'd played and injured himself again. We have to take what we're told at face value, we have no evidence to the contrary. In fact, from what I recall he was only performing OK for the U21's, a long way from premier league standard and in line with his pre season performances. Perhaps given the chance in the big team he has thrived on it and stepped up a gear. It's very hard to judge how a player might react in that situation until they show you so and at the time it was obviously not worth the risk. Why would the manager hold him back intentionally if he knew he had this in him? Ridiculous assertion. This debate is serving no purpose whatsoever. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2014 give someone a new long term deal after a handful of good games? Sounds familiar... would you prefer to run his contract down and leave for peanuts like Delph and Vlaar? He's still got 4 years left though right? Give him a new contract in the summer when he's proved his worth over the season. 2 years after this? Four year deal wasn't it. Oh I thought he signed a 5-year deal last summer. May have been 4 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Yeah he will have 2 years left at the end of this season. Pretty sure he'll be signed up to a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Maybe he's playing well because he's ready now?? He could have been ready earlier as well but just couldn't get into the team because of how well the other 3 CBs were performing, and rightly so. Without trying to sound like a broken record, if Lambert didn't think he was ready he would have played Herd or someone when the other CBs got injured. You might be right but it seems a massive coincidence that the exact moment he's ready is the exact moment there are no other fit defenders That probably wasn't the exact moment he was ready. But that was a good opportunity to give him a chance. And he's taken it. I agree with that, I just think there were other chances he could have come in which could have helped us and stopped okore getting frustrated. If we hadn't had injuries what would be looking at? Probably okore wanting to leave in a couple of weeks. It's not really an issue to criticise Lambert over, it's not an easy one where there's a clear right way to do everything. But at the same time IMO it wasn't handled perfectly and actually we've been fortunate that we've now got a top player happy and playing week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rodders0223 Posted December 24, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2014 What does it matter?! Okore is in the team and he is playing well. Enjoy it. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) What does it matter?!Okore is in the team and he is playing well.Enjoy it. Agree with this wholeheartedly, he's brilliant, you could see it in his brief appearances last season, he's really great Edited December 24, 2014 by sir_gary_cahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Vlaar was also directly responsible for QPRs first goal, Clark did nothing wrong in that game either, but keep it up DC.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 What does it matter?! Okore is in the team and he is playing well. Enjoy it. no need to shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 What does it matter?! Okore is in the team and he is playing well. Enjoy it. no need to shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2014 give someone a new long term deal after a handful of good games? Sounds familiar... would you prefer to run his contract down and leave for peanuts like Delph and Vlaar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 give someone a new long term deal after a handful of good games? Sounds familiar...would you prefer to run his contract down and leave for peanuts like Delph and Vlaar? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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