Jimzk5 Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Looking back to when angel had that season when he was scoring for fun, he signed the biggest contract the club had ever paid out, rumoured to be 38k per week, that was 2004, just 3 years later we were paying beye, sidwell, Davies and a host of other wasters 45k+ per week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Whilst we have paid silly money in the past and we do need to move players on that are not doing it on the pitch for us we should not 9 years on from paying JPA £38k pw (to quote Jimzk5) be looking at only signing players who will take near the same or less now. Football, players and their agents expectations have moved on since then so we need to be realistic on what wages we will need to pay to sign and to keep players. What has happened in the past should not cost us that bright future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsid Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I read a report that Dortmund's wage bill is lower than ours. I wonder if this is reflected in Bundesliga wages generally. If their bill is lower than ours how can they contemplate signing Benteke as reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) I read a report that Dortmund's wage bill is lower than ours. I wonder if this is reflected in Bundesliga wages generally. If their bill is lower than ours how can they contemplate signing Benteke as reported? I'd imagine the fact they got massive money for winning the Champions League helps, add in the money the got for Kagawa, Gotze & now Lewandowski it'll be mere pennies to them. Edited May 27, 2013 by Folski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I read a report that Dortmund's wage bill is lower than ours. I wonder if this is reflected in Bundesliga wages generally. If their bill is lower than ours how can they contemplate signing Benteke as reported? I'd imagine the fact they got massive money for winning the Champions League helps, add in the money the got for Kagawa, Gotze & now Lewandowski it'll be mere pennies to them. Ah so it wasn't Bayern who won it - it was Dortmund ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/01/revealed-the-worlds-best-paid-teams-man-city-close-in-on-barca-and-real-madrid-010501/ Figures slightly out if date but Dortmunds average wage was £36.392 ours £47.401. Spurs for perspective £ 44.394. Interesting where we are compared with other teams & sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) this is roughly what i get the wage bill to be for the season just finished (2012/13) - individual figures might be slightly higher/lower, but it will balance out overall: £ per week Bent - 70 Ireland - 65 Given - 60 Dunne - 55 N'Zogbia - 55 Agbonlahor - 50 Warnock - 40 Vlaar - 30 Makoun - 35 Benteke - 25 Hutton - 25 Delph - 25 Holman - 25 El-Ahmadi - 25 Lowton - 20 Guzan - 15 Delfouneso - 15 Albrighton - 15 Herd - 15 Sylla - 10 Bannan - 10 Clark - 10 Stevens - 10 Lichaj - 5 Baker - 5 Weimann - 5 Carruthers - 5 Gardner - 5 Other players - 25 Petrov - 0 (medical insurance would have paid his salary once diagnosed) Total - £755k per week = £39m + NI 12.8%, Medical Insurance 10%, Bonuses 15% = £51m + Lambert = £2.4m + Non-footballing staff = £10m Total Wages 2012/13 = £63m For next season, we have definitely lowered wages by Dunne, Warnock, Lichaj, Makoun, saving £9m. So wages next season will be £54m (before any in/out transfers), revenue will be around £100 due to increased TV revenue, so our wage % turnover is 54%. 60% is the 'accepted' prudent figure, so we can increase wages by £6m on top any other players who leave. Edited May 30, 2013 by ender4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 ^^^Those percentages at the end assume the extra TV revenue doesn't generally feed into higher wages for premier league players. I'd be gobsmacked if that didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 We could get rid of 8 of the top 11 earners this summer, that would put us in a great position to rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted May 31, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2013 Well it lists it as 4.16m, which is a huge 80k a week. I mean I'm sure we take it with a pinch of salt, but it can't be that far off can it? I mean no smoke without fire and all that If I remember correctly I think we are paying 60K and city are topping it up to the 80K. This was always going to end in tears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Im sure I saw MK say that AVFC are happy with the current wage position so if Bent, Given and Ireland go then we should have capacity for some good contracts for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Nearly 100k a week on Albrighton, KEA, Holman and Le Fonz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Nearly 100k a week on Albrighton, KEA, Holman and Le Fonz If you include Hutton in that list it's over £100k-that's depressing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Nearly 100k a week on Albrighton, KEA, Holman and Le Fonz Are you kidding me. A worse one than that is Given, Dunne, Ireland, Bent. Over 200k on players a week right there who offered next to nothing for us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Spurs are apparently still paying Bentley £50k pw - What a waste - I wonder why they haven't purged all their high earners - and recruited players from the lower leagues on 20k pw ? This policy will end in disaster - as we are now seeing even if players come to us on low wages - if they look the business, they will want parity with the going rate for a prem player - be that at villa or somewhere else. I don't believe you can sustain a premier league side without paying premier league wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Spurs are apparently still paying Bentley £50k pw - What a waste - I wonder why they haven't purged all their high earners - and recruited players from the lower leagues on 20k pw ? This policy will end in disaster - as we are now seeing even if players come to us on low wages - if they look the business, they will want parity with the going rate for a prem player - be that at villa or somewhere else. I don't believe you can sustain a premier league side without paying premier league wages. How about sustaining a football club so there is one to support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Give £20k contracts to young players. They perform bad, no worries, they cost pennies, sell them on at cost/for a small loss. They perform well boost their contracts up or sell them on for huge profits if they wont accept wages in line with what we can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Spurs are apparently still paying Bentley £50k pw - What a waste - I wonder why they haven't purged all their high earners - and recruited players from the lower leagues on 20k pw ? This policy will end in disaster - as we are now seeing even if players come to us on low wages - if they look the business, they will want parity with the going rate for a prem player - be that at villa or somewhere else. I don't believe you can sustain a premier league side without paying premier league wages. How about sustaining a football club so there is one to support? Agree - that's generally the job of a billionaire owner and why fans get excited when one purchases your club. There are small number of clubs which are now owned by supporters, these tend to be very poor in terms of cash. W eve swallowed this issue of wages hook, line and sinker. The situation at villa isn't unique, plenty of clubs have costly players unable to get in the side - but Villa have hyped up these big earners - and made a club policy focused on players that have failed. Every summer we hear how the manager will have more scope now player x is leaving - then the following summer its player 'y' - Meanwhile the club looks further and further away from being a premiership force. Im already plotting next season hoping we won't be quite as sh*t as Hull, Cardiff, stoke , Norwich. Young and Hungry - My ars* - more like cheap and cheerful !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Give £20k contracts to young players. They perform bad, no worries, they cost pennies, sell them on at cost/for a small loss. They perform well boost their contracts up or sell them on for huge profits if they wont accept wages in line with what we can offer. Are we in the business of producing players ? - or building a team that we can be proud of ? - The problem as I see it, is that we won't boost there contracts in line with whats on offer elsewhere - ergo the better players move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Give £20k contracts to young players. They perform bad, no worries, they cost pennies, sell them on at cost/for a small loss. They perform well boost their contracts up or sell them on for huge profits if they wont accept wages in line with what we can offer. Are we in the business of producing players ? - or building a team that we can be proud of ? - The problem as I see it, is that we won't boost there contracts in line with whats on offer elsewhere - ergo the better players move on. Somewhere in the middle. Build good enough to be as good as the likes of Everton and Liverpool in the hope that we can find a group of players good enough to challenge them and maybe make a move onto the top 5 or 6 if one of Arsenal or Spurs seriously mess up in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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