VillaForever1970 Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Discussion over the weekend about how do you judge a good or great manager and is it all down to the players?For example put Taggert or Jose in charge of Donnie or Northampton over time would they get them to the top?Or is it solely down to the players and money? Rafa at Chelsea he was hardly going to fail with that quality of player to manage for example.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Fergie and Jose had success at Porto and Aberdeen so cant say wouldnt be as good in smaller clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 8, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2013 Being called "Ron Saunders". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 or do the opposite of Alex McLeish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Fergie and Jose had success at Porto and Aberdeen so cant say wouldnt be as good in smaller clubs Porto? Small? Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Aberdeen small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Fergie and Jose had success at Porto and Aberdeen so cant say wouldnt be as good in smaller clubs Porto? Small? Hmmm. Smallest club to win the Champions League in the past twenty years, so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Fergie and Jose had success at Porto and Aberdeen so cant say wouldnt be as good in smaller clubs Porto? Small? Hmmm. Smallest club to win the Champions League in the past twenty years, so yeah. That doesn't make them a small club, that just makes them the smallest club to win the CL in the past 20 years. They'd already been European Champions before Jose came along. They might not be giants, but they're certainly not a small club, and - unlike Aberdeen - you're expected to win trophies at Porto. Which is not to play down Mourinho's achievements there, which were fantastic. But I don't think it's quite the same as winning in Europe with Aberdeen, or Clough doing it with Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Being called "Ron Saunders". True, very true. But as Sir Ron's record proves, a lot depends on being in the right place at the right time. He did a reasonable job at both Norwich and Man City before Doug brought him to Villa where what he achieved can only be described as magnificent (there isn't enough room on this site to describe how good those days were as a Villa fan), then he went on to do a terrible ( ) job at both the sty and the boggies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Fergie and Jose had success at Porto and Aberdeen so cant say wouldnt be as good in smaller clubs Porto? Small? Hmmm. Smallest club to win the Champions League in the past twenty years, so yeah. That doesn't make them a small club, that just makes them the smallest club to win the CL in the past 20 years. They'd already been European Champions before Jose came along. They might not be giants, but they're certainly not a small club, and - unlike Aberdeen - you're expected to win trophies at Porto. Which is not to play down Mourinho's achievements there, which were fantastic. But I don't think it's quite the same as winning in Europe with Aberdeen, or Clough doing it with Forest. Well the initial argument is that Porto were smaller, not small. You seem to have attributed that bit yourself. And it's difficult to compare Porto in '04 to Aberdeen or Forest doing it in the late 70s and early 80s because while they were small provincial clubs the financial gap was not anywhere near the issue back then that it is these days. Let's not forget about the guy who scored the winning goal for Forest in the 1979 final. They had just shattered (as in more than doubled) the British transfer record when they bought Trevor Francis from Small Heath, so it's not like they were a tiny club with no money making everybody else look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 9, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2013 Being called "Ron Saunders". True, very true. But as Sir Ron's record proves, a lot depends on being in the right place at the right time. He did a reasonable job at both Norwich and Man City before Doug brought him to Villa where what he achieved can only be described as magnificent (there isn't enough room on this site to describe how good those days were as a Villa fan), then he went on to do a terrible ( ) job at both the sty and the boggies. Indeed. Agent Saunders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Fergie and Jose had success at Porto and Aberdeen so cant say wouldnt be as good in smaller clubs Porto? Small? Hmmm. Smallest club to win the Champions League in the past twenty years, so yeah. That doesn't make them a small club, that just makes them the smallest club to win the CL in the past 20 years. They'd already been European Champions before Jose came along. They might not be giants, but they're certainly not a small club, and - unlike Aberdeen - you're expected to win trophies at Porto. Which is not to play down Mourinho's achievements there, which were fantastic. But I don't think it's quite the same as winning in Europe with Aberdeen, or Clough doing it with Forest. Well the initial argument is that Porto were smaller, not small. You seem to have attributed that bit yourself. <steps away quietly > 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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