TrentVilla Posted July 21, 2016 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Zatman said: Sunderland a woefully run club to a Randy Lerner Villa level and somehow still havent been relegated The common factor being the charlatan O'Neill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Moyes will get that job, be so funny if they get relegated and we get promoted next season and Moyes rejceted us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcTheObsession Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I think Moyes will do a good job there if he takes it, which I imagine he will. Let's remember a good job there would be finishing about 12th, as it's got to have been a few years now since they've had mid-table mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 22, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2016 Please please please take Bruce back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 On 20 July 2016 at 23:28, Villaphan04 said: probably have to be favorites to go down aside from the 3 promoted sides if Sam Goes. Continues the change at manager position almost yearly for them They've got a much better squad than a year ago...Defoe was out of favour back then but had a glorious second half of the season so no reason why he can't continue scoring this time. Kirchoff, Kone and Khazri all did very well for them in the run in. Moyes would keep them up comfortably...Steve Bruce less so. Hull look knackered now with no manager and only 13 fit players and Burnley have done little business. Fancy Watford as the third team to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 42 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Please please please take Bruce back Bruce is now odds-on favourite with some bookmakers to return to former club Sunderland and replace Allardyce, if he does indeed become England boss. BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Interviewed for the England job, and then maybe swaps 1 relegation battle (Hull) for another (Sunderland) And the rags wonder why English managers don't get gigs at big clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 47 minutes ago, av1 said: Interviewed for the England job, and then maybe swaps 1 relegation battle (Hull) for another (Sunderland) And the rags wonder why English managers don't get gigs at big clubs I don't follow? Sunderland are a much bigger club than Hull with better resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: I don't follow? Sunderland are a much bigger club than Hull with better resources. I wasn't really comparing Sunderland to Hull. More about English managers in general, and surprise that he even got an interview with the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 That's what I mean, I don't understand it in to relation as why they don't get chances at good jobs. To me, they don't because clubs are more interested in the proven thing mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, av1 said: I wasn't really comparing Sunderland to Hull. More about English managers in general, and surprise that he even got an interview with the FA. I think its a vicious circle though. No top teams will give English managers a chance so they have to scrap around in mid table or relegation battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Bruce can finish the job he started at Sunderland a few years ago maybe they will have Bent back as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, kurtsimonw said: That's what I mean, I don't understand it in to relation as why they don't get chances at good jobs. To me, they don't because clubs are more interested in the proven thing mostly. With all the money at stake these days you can't really blame them though pal When you look at the English managers, Big Sam stood out for the England job. Now i don't want to sound like a hypocrite because I've said in the other thread i think he could do a good job, but when Big Sam is the best the country has to offer it doesn't really say a lot about the rest imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 But that's my point. Big Sam is the best in the country because nobody is given a chance. Imagine if Klopp never got the Dortmund job? Wasn't given a chance at a top club and got the Germany job? "lol Mainz manager for Germany". But he was given an opportunity to succeed. English managers will never succeed, because they aren't given a chance to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, kurtsimonw said: But that's my point. Big Sam is the best in the country because nobody is given a chance. Imagine if Klopp never got the Dortmund job? Wasn't given a chance at a top club and got the Germany job? "lol Mainz manager for Germany". But he was given an opportunity to succeed. English managers will never succeed, because they aren't given a chance to. Hodgson was at Liverpool Hughes was at City Redknapp was at Spurs Sherwood was at Spurs There have been chances, but the English managers just didn't cut it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Sunderland fans despise Bruce...they were chanting "Geordie Bas***d get out of our club" just before he was sacked last time and he's had plenty of digs at them since. Would probably be similar to McLeish mutiny here if he was reappointed manager for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 41 minutes ago, Czechlad said: Hodgson was at Liverpool Hughes was at City Redknapp was at Spurs Sherwood was at Spurs There have been chances, but the English managers just didn't cut it. some people on here wont like that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Chelsea will never appoint a British manager while Abramovich owns the club...it's widely known he dosen't rate English/british managers one little bit. Can't see Arsenal going for one either with the playing legacy Wenger will leave. English managers still seen as tactically inflexible, rabbits in headlights when things go wrong, confused messages from touchline etc for clubs to consider them working with elite players. I think Moyes 9 months at Man. United summed that up. What an English manager needs to do is take over a mid table ish club and win a trophy or two as that's really what attracts the clubs e.g. who's winning the trophies. Let's say Eddie Howe moves to Southampton, wins them an FA cup and then next season wins them the europa league, I fail to see how he wouldn't be a major target for the elite clubs as he'd very much be in the spotlight. Would PSG have appointed Unai Emery if he wasn't winning europa league every season? That's actually how Hodgson got the Liverpool job in 2010, reached the europa league final so his name was very much in fashion. What's certain is Eddie Howe isn't getting a top job anytime soon finishing 16th every season with Bournemouth even if that's an impressive achievement in itself and they play nice football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 agree its all about achievements, British managers in recent seasons who got big jobs are all on back of good achievements Hodgson - got Fulham to a Europa final McLaren - Won Carling Cup and got UEFA Cup final before got England job Moyes- very solid job at Everton Arry - won FA Cup people arent going to just give you a job for your passport. If Pardew had won FA Cup or had got Newcastle to Top 4 he probably be linked with higher up jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Did Moyes actually reject going to Villa, and now he's gone to Sunderland?! Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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