VillaChris Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'll take back what I said.... Moyes looks like he dosen't have a clue. How can you a) not start Khazri and b not even bring him on? The guy was a major threat for Sunderland end of last season? Playing Paddy McNair as a holding midfielder. Where is Kirchoff? Big Sam got it right...realised O'Shea is a major weak link at prem level and Moyes starts him again seeing as Kone and Kaboul don't want to play for him. Sunderland looked a proper relegation team today...but then we've all probably said that at this point for last 5 years. Big pressure on them though with all 3 promoted teams winning games already in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 yeah Moyes is a poor manager, a busted flush after his time in Spain and glad we never went for him his signings are poor and weird and his reliance on old players like O'Shea and Pienaar is just poor. He would have kept Lescott and Richards in 1st team if he joined us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I think Sunderland deserve to get relegated this season. Its been coming for years, like it was with us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 His not picking Khazri is a] bizarre, b] stupid, and c] damaging my draft fantasy team. Hopefully he agrees to sell him to a team who can use his obvious gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Hope Moyes is stupid enough to buy Richards and/or Lescott and if he does, I will like him even more. C'mon David you know you want too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 They remind me of us. To be honest like us they probably need relegation to sort the club out. Think they have a poor squad, Defoe aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 we flirted with relegation for years, occasionally we'd dip in the bottom 3 then win a game to get out of it, Sunderland however have dated, become engaged and then run away from the alter for the last 5 seasons, always in the bottom 3, then change manager then win 7 out the last 10 games to stay up. Rinse and repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Their two best players were their centre backs, they've just sold one and Moyes has banned the other from the ground. Don't look like they're going to spending on the same levels as some of the other Prem teams and now Moyes telling fans that they're going to be in a relegation battle and it shouldn't come as a surprise. Wouldn't be surprised if Defoe moved before the window closes the way things are going for them at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I think if Defoe gets injured they could finish bottom. They remind me of us over last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2016 I really wanted Moyes at Villa, not just this summer but several times over the last few years. I am though starting to think we had a very close escape he is resembling the jaded and dated Martin O'Neill more and more by the day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 16 hours ago, dudevillaisnice said: They remind me of us. To be honest like us they probably need relegation to sort the club out. Think they have a poor squad, Defoe aside. In our case, relegation allowed us to be finally rid of Lerner. Had we stayed in the league I doubt we'd have Dr. Tony today. In Sunderland's case I don't think there would be a silver lining to the cloud. I'd be gutted to hear whilst the transfer window is still open, our manager say we'll be involved in a relegation fight. Imagine that after 2 games. That's a loser mentality right there. Quote Asked about supporters fearing another season-long struggle, he said: "Well, they would probably be right. "That's where they've been every other year for the last four years, so why would it suddenly change?" Moyes added: "I don't think you can hide the facts. People will be flat because they are hoping that something is going to dramatically change - it can't dramatically change, it can't." That's some stone-cold awful shit right there. If the squad isn't good enough then you'd think they would hope to add to it whilst the window is open, but it looks like he's just given up already. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37150006 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 22, 2016 Moderator Share Posted August 22, 2016 The man is negativity personified. He did the same at United, playing down their chances all the time. And to think he was my #1 choice for Villa. I am really glad we didn't get him now. Can you imagine the kind of transfers we'd have got instead? Ugh. Dodged a serious bullet there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenko#4 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I think they could potentially finish on a similar number of points to us last season. You look at their squad and its set up in a very similar way. Full of players who didn't make it at a big club and are only playing in the Premier League based on past reputation, and earning big wages because of it (for Djilobodji, McNair, Rodwell, Borini read Lescott, Richards, Sinclair, Richardson). Then they have the next level of player down where they have older players on big money with no resale value (for O'Shea, Pienaar, Defoe read N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor) I think at the moment only one player (Defoe) would improve our current starting eleven, and even then I wouldn't take the gamble as it would feel like a throwback to darker days. Watmore looks a good player, but Sunderland fans already see him as the next messiah even though he isn't the finished product yet (Grealish anyone?) Plus in David Moyes they have a manager whose personality makes Paul Lambert look like he is on hippy crack!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I wanted Moyes as well but Sunderland have looked really poor to me and he just seems very negative with his tactics. Also odnt like the way he is talking down sunderland already. Maybe we did get a lucky escape...we will see at end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 22 hours ago, VillaChris said: I'll take back what I said.... Moyes looks like he dosen't have a clue. How can you a) not start Khazri and b not even bring him on? The guy was a major threat for Sunderland end of last season? Playing Paddy McNair as a holding midfielder. Where is Kirchoff? Big Sam got it right...realised O'Shea is a major weak link at prem level and Moyes starts him again seeing as Kone and Kaboul don't want to play for him. Sunderland looked a proper relegation team today...but then we've all probably said that at this point for last 5 years. Big pressure on them though with all 3 promoted teams winning games already in the league. Khazri came back looking like a teletubbie tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 What a ridiculous statement by Moyes. The size of Sunderland they should be looking for mid table at least. To go in with that negative mindset after 2 games is pathetic. I am glad he is not at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 4 hours ago, BOF said: The man is negativity personified. He did the same at United, playing down their chances all the time. And to think he was my #1 choice for Villa. I am really glad we didn't get him now. Can you imagine the kind of transfers we'd have got instead? Ugh. Dodged a serious bullet there. we would probably have Tony Hibbert at full back, probably the only right back who is worse than what we currently have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) comments sound like realistic comments to me. if he said "we will try finish mid table"...he will have shot himself in the foot and we will be in this thread saying not a chance they will finish mid table and hes deluded. their best cb wants to leave and not play. Doubt theres a significant injection of cash which will undo all their previous poor spending and over take teams above them. he definitely should be using money to go into foreign leagues more but its still incredibly difficult market when you got 20+ teams scouting every team out there theyve had how many managers in the past 5/6 years? and every year theyre in a relegation battle. if anyone realistic thinks a manager after 1 window should be pushing a team up multiple positions than youre going to be let down expecting him to be all "happy clappy" (just using this term because of recent use on the forum and find it funny) and treat fans like complete idiots is much worse. the "size of the club" is pretty insignificant when hes had 1 window and nothing changed from previous years Edited August 22, 2016 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 6 hours ago, StanBalaban said: In our case, relegation allowed us to be finally rid of Lerner. Had we stayed in the league I doubt we'd have Dr. Tony today. In Sunderland's case I don't think there would be a silver lining to the cloud. I'd be gutted to hear whilst the transfer window is still open, our manager say we'll be involved in a relegation fight. Imagine that after 2 games. That's a loser mentality right there. Fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: What a ridiculous statement by Moyes. The size of Sunderland they should be looking for mid table at least. To go in with that negative mindset after 2 games is pathetic. I am glad he is not at Villa. What has the size of the club got to do with it. They have been trying to clear the books for the past 5 years just like us. They have signed Mcnair and Pienaar ffs, that is how desperate they are. Moyes shouldn't have said it but he is perfectly correct. They have a dire 11, a dire squad, a clueless owner and a decade of mis management behind them. They are a shit show that have continually pulled off the great escape since O'Neill first took charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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