VillaForever1970 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Absolute crap! You may not give a shit but I and many others do. I can only assume that you have never experienced anything that makes you proud of our past. Pretty sad really... Not really, experienced i all but its this 'this club deserves better' it does but that in itself is going to make zero difference. Is my example not true? Its all about money, all the players want to play for City or in my example York and having a history or not doesn't make a blind bit of difference. I'm not saying i agree with it, i'm saying its the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted January 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2013 Thanks Mike summed it up. Our history are the foundations on what this club is built on. It is what makes us. You can have all the money in the world but you can't buy what we have. I'm not just on about trophies either. This club has high standards that have been brought up through generations and they are in grained in it. We as supporters have a responsibility to never allow those standards/expectations to slip and I certainly won't be. To me (without being overly sentimental) it's an important part of my family history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 If we went down and bounced straight back financially it wouldn't be too bad due to the massive parachute payment in year 1. I would have no confidence in this squad bouncing back though. I think we'd be more likely to do a sheff weds than a west ham. Relegation would be awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Thanks Mike summed it up. Our history are the foundations on what this great club is built on. It is what makes us. You can have all the money in the world but you can't buy what we have. I'm not just on about trophies either. This club has high standards that have been brought up through generations and they are in grained in it. We as supporters have a responsibility to never allow those standards/expectations to slip and I certainly won't be. Thats all very noble but means **** all without money these days and unfortunately your have **** all control over it. I'm not saying its right, its not; if it was down to me all clubs would have the same amount of money for everything and it was down to nothing else. But unfortunately its not about that. Forest realised it long ago, winning more european cups than us, whats it done for them are they challenging for the premier league? Edited January 20, 2013 by VillaForever1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoughboroughLion Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I see no reason why Lerner would invest in order to get us out of the championship when he isn't investing to keep us in the premiership atm. Relegation would be a dark day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted January 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2013 If we went down and bounced straight back financially it wouldn't be too bad due to the massive parachute payment in year 1. I would have no confidence in this squad bouncing back though. I think we'd be more likely to do a sheff weds than a west ham. Relegation would be awful. Sorry cannot agree with your first sentence. The "massive" parachute payment of £16 million in the first year is dwarfed by the £60 million we would lose on TV rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Sorry cannot agree with your first sentence. The "massive" parachute payment of £16 million in the first year is dwarfed by the £60 million we would lose on TV rights. So we would never get that if we went up again? Or would Villa never ever come back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Another relegation thread - why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted January 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2013 So we would never get that if we went up again? Or would Villa never ever come back up? What's your point? I am saying that in that first year we would be financially worse off - a lot worse off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Sorry cannot agree with your first sentence. The "massive" parachute payment of £16 million in the first year is dwarfed by the £60 million we would lose on TV rights. It's at least £40m in year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 What's your point? I am saying that in that first year we would be financially worse off - a lot worse off. Because you like a lot of others seem to think that if we're relegated that less money will mean that Villa park will vanish and we wont be able to play football. Money or not 3 teams will still have to be promoted back to the premier league, why can Villa not be one of them? I dont get how you bang on about how important history is and ignore my money argument, then in the next breath money is a big thing. Which is it money or history? Disclaimer: None of the above means that its a good thing we get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted January 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2013 Because you like a lot of others seem to think that if we're relegated that less money will mean that Villa park will vanish and we wont be able to play football. Money or not 3 teams will still have to be promoted back to the premier league, why can Villa not be one of them? I dont get how you bang on about how important history is and ignore my money argument, then in the next breath money is a big thing. Which is it money or history? Disclaimer: None of the above means that its a good thing we get relegated. Rubbish. At no point did I say "Villa park would vanish" - do you specialise in talking crap? I was responding to CI's point was that in the first year down "financially it wouldn't be to bad" Conversion over you talk out your arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted January 20, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2013 It's at least £40m in year 1 It isn't ...., "From the beginning of the 2010/11 football season the parachute payments provided to English or Welsh football clubs relegated from the Premiership will change to a total of £48 million to be paid over a total of 4 years. This effectively means that the club will receive £12 million a year for 4 years" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaForever1970 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Rubbish. At no point did I say "Villa park would vanish" - do you specialise in talking crap? I was responding to CI's point was that in the first year down "financially it wouldn't be to bad" Conversion over you talk out your arse! Haha okay then, least we'll have history hey we can bang on about that like Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayEm Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 There's no way of telling. On the one hand, if we can keep some of our more talented players the Championship might be the ideal place for them to grow and gain confidence. The squad could develop and get some more organisation, and Lambert could bring in more youth without having to push them out into the unfriendly world of the premiership. On the other hand, the club might implode, with our talented players either jumping ship or being sold, Lambert would resign and we'd begin to crumble financially. We'd end up struggling to get anywhere near the play offs and becoming just another Championship side with no hope and no Bright Future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyVillian Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Who set this thread up? A combination of Lerner, McLeish and Barry Bannan. Championship football might be right for the names mentioned above, not for Aston Villa Football Club! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It isn't ...., "From the beginning of the 2010/11 football season the parachute payments provided to English or Welsh football clubs relegated from the Premiership will change to a total of £48 million to be paid over a total of 4 years. This effectively means that the club will receive £12 million a year for 4 years" Does that mean if you're relegated, but promoted after a year, you continue to get the extra £12m per year for the next 3 as part of the agreed parachute payment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The opening post is some sort of echo from a friend of mine when his team Wolves were relegated.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 It isn't ...., "From the beginning of the 2010/11 football season the parachute payments provided to English or Welsh football clubs relegated from the Premiership will change to a total of £48 million to be paid over a total of 4 years. This effectively means that the club will receive £12 million a year for 4 years" Although I believe it actually cuts as £16/16/8/8m over the four years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Who set this thread up? A combination of Lerner, McLeish and Barry Bannan. Championship football might be right for the names mentioned above, not for Aston Villa Football Club! Sadly, I think you missed out Paul Lambert from that list. What he's serving up at present, apart from the odd 45 minutes of inspiration like the first halves against Man U and the Baggies, looks pretty much Championship stuff to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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