Xann Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Is there a more despicable shitblister than that word removed John Redwood? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Is there a more despicable shitblister than that word removed John Redwood? He can certainly belt out the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIwBvjoLyZc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Leaving aside the mad cow who invented aids in icecream and burnt down that orphanage: I have two stories from opposite ends of the spectrum about a guy that was our local MP. 1: A relative of mine needed a decent job to have the money to do right by his new family. He went to the local MP's surgery, Sir Raymond Gower, Conservative and explained his situation and his wish to do right and ask for advice. Gower put everyone else on hold, got out his contacts book and phoned around until he eventually got him a real job. He followed it up to make sure the job materialised and he didn't **** up his chance. My mum, dad and lots of other relatives voted Gower, Conservative for the rest of the MP's life. 2: In one of my first jobs, in an off license, I'd just hoovered the carpet, Gower walked in smoking a cigar. I recognised him as he was a bit of a hero in our family, he looked me and my hoover up and down and quite deliberately and methodically tapped his cigar ash on the floor. He then asked if we had anything 'decent'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I always liked Tony Benn. Although I believe that was in his time after politics when he became more a commentator/speaker. He was easy to listen to and seemed to make sense to me anyway. i wouldn't say make sense but I like Benn as well, from the other side as it were. Met his son and he is pretty decent as well. Quite a few I dislike, and they don't necessarily have to be politicians, just politically linked. On my side of the equation have to say thatch is up there as on to admire and like . Gove is a nice bloke actually despite comments above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 As a young lefty, politically Nellist was my hero. He along with Billy Bragg got me into politics. My politics have changed significantly as I have got older and my socialism has waned considerably. That said, favourite politician historically was Nellist, currently none of them. Least favourite. Outside of Thatcher, Blair. The **** snake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Sadiq Khan intervened in a running dispute I was having with HMRC. He tore them a new hole I think. There was a postal strike at the time and I received the second letter HMRC had sent me before the first. It was really apologetic and grovelly. They were trying to give me money, I just wanted them to take on board that I'd been PAYE for three years - it was hilarious. Quite like David Trimble too, I chat to him from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 3, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 3, 2013 Eric Joyce (left) headbutted MP Stuart Andrew in the infamous brawl at the House of Commons Stranglers' Bar My favourite and least favourite, right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 3, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2013 Like - 2 Jags Prescott. If I was a fat northerner-come-good I'd probably be him too. Disklike - Cyril Smith. Fat northerner-come-somewhere he shouldn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Like - 2 Jags Prescott. If I was a fat northerner-come-good I'd probably be him too. that's your name going on the list ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Like - 2 Jags Prescott. If I was a fat northerner-come-good I'd probably be him too. If you were a fat Northerner you'd be a thin version of Prescott. Did he come good? I guess that's up for debate really and only Tracey Temple knows the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Tony Benn would be my favourite. A man of great principle, with a belief in empowering ordinary people to have influence over their society. My least favourite would be Thatcher. A person who believed there was "no such thing as society " We still suffer to this day the consequences of her divisive tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I have seen that quote used a bit on here in the last two days or so. It actually comes from an interview she gave to a women's magazine in 1987. The full quote is "I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) I wonder if people who quote the "no such thing as society " line understand what it means ? Not having a dig / implying people are stupid ... it was more do people actually know what Thatcher was referring to when she made the statement ...rather than just commenting on a quote without connotation Edit : it would appear someone just beat me to it Edited January 4, 2013 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meregreen Posted January 4, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2013 It isn't the Governments role to ignore sections of society either. Society has obligations too. It isn't just about ourselves and our families. What she advocated turned our country into a pig trough. Those with the biggest snouts got, and continue to get the lions share. There is, contrary to what Thatcher said, such a thing as society, it is made up of individuals, but it most certainly exists and has responsibilities to those wthin it. Thatcher believed in the right of the individual to put their own interests above all else. Many now follow that path. We are a poorer country for it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunRickyRun Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Is there a more despicable shitblister than that word removed John Redwood? Immensely intelligent bloke hampered by a complete lack of self awareness and extremely awkward social skills. He's alright really. Edited January 4, 2013 by RunRickyRun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 4, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 4, 2013 I have seen that quote used a bit on here in the last two days or so. It actually comes from an interview she gave to a women's magazine in 1987. The full quote is "I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation." She was totally wrong. A homeless person is in need, by definition, of somewhere to keep dry, warm, fed, to sleep. Society, through charity and the state has a moral obligation to help people who can't help themselves. She was implying that as the leader of the Government it basically wasn't her problem. She was absolutely wrong. There is such a thing as entitlement - entitlement to the basic essentials to live. And to rights - freedom of expression and movement and so on. Strummer summed her up, the evil witch "You have the right to food money....Providing of course you don't mind a little humiliation, investigation and if you cross your fingers, rehabilitation You don't have a home to go to, then I will read you your rights , you have the right to remain silent, You are warned that anything you say can and will be taken down and used as evidence against you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 It isn't the Governments role to ignore sections of society either. Society has obligations too. It isn't just about ourselves and our families. What she advocated turned our country into a pig trough. Those with the biggest snouts got, and continue to get the lions share. There is, contrary to what Thatcher said, such a thing as society, it is made up of individuals, but it most certainly exists and has responsibilities to those wthin it. Thatcher believed in the right of the individual to put their own interests above all else. Many now follow that path. We are a poorer country for it. Brilliantly put, and I fail to see or understand how people cannot accept this. Thatcher's true colours and those of her party at the time and many in it now still subscribe to her outdated and quite awful views. No place in a modern society that is certain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.I.C.O. Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Favourite: Tony Benn, very principled, respected politician, a true socialist and true gent who never sunk to gutter politics and worked across the house to bring about positive change. Read his diaries if you ever get the chance, compelling stuff. I've had the fortune of hearing him speak at an anti-war rally several years back and he was full of wisdom. Least favourite: It would have been easy to name a Tory, but no-one comes close to Peter Mandleson. The man just fills me with dread. They did'nt call him "The Prince of Darkness" for nothing. I could have named a whole list of new-labour careerist stooges, but they all learned from Lord Mandy. He is a truly insidious creature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 4, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 4, 2013 I like Prescott - and his nearest Tory analogue, Ken Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I wonder if people who quote the "no such thing as society " line understand what it means ? I think that most people who quote it have a damned good idea what it means and what she meant by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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