chrisp65 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: It surely sets a dangerous precedent to essentially just let him walk off once his term ends? It could seriously bight the whole world on the arse in a few years time. Imagine if he gets re elected and picks up where he left off with his vile racist goon squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: Out of interest, on what grounds do you think it's nonsense? The voter fraud issue is not baseless. There are legitimate constitutional concerns regarding all of the various rule changes in many states prior to the election, and then there is the specific language in the federal constitution, which states that it is the state legislatures that select the electors for the electoral college. Legal scholars acknowledge this, indeed many of the same arguments have been made around the Bush/Gore debacle and then Bush/Kerry in 2004 regarding what went on in Ohio. This is politics. The dems are playing their cards. They are not playing alone. Let's see how it goes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: It could seriously bight the whole world on the arse in a few years time. Imagine if he gets re elected and picks up where he left off with his vile racist goon squad. but the truly interesting part, is that the people may choose this... ah, our precious democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, villakram said: but the truly interesting part, is that the people may choose this... ah, our precious democracy. It’s not precious democracy for 51% to be racist to 49%, that’s abuse of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 27, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, villakram said: but the truly interesting part, is that the people may choose this... ah, our precious democracy. He lost to a record turnout. Then he invaded the capital to the horror of many A lot of his older voters will die and be replaced by younger more educated people His biggest funder has died. How is this suddenly going to swing back his was in 4 years? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, sidcow said: He lost to a record turnout. Then he invaded the capital to the horror of many A lot of his older voters will die and be replaced by younger more educated people His biggest funder has died. How is this suddenly going to swing back his was in 4 years? I didn't say he would. The point is more, that populism is popular politics and hence may win a popularity contest, i.e., a democratic election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, villakram said: I didn't say he would. The point is more, that populism is popular politics and hence may win a popularity contest, i.e., a democratic election. It’s not a popularity contest in the US, it’s about winning the electoral college. Whether that makes it less democratic is up for discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post magnkarl Posted January 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 hours ago, villakram said: I didn't say he would. The point is more, that populism is popular politics and hence may win a popularity contest, i.e., a democratic election. Hey man. You've been skirting around the issue here for weeks. If say ANTIFA and the outer left wing of the democratic party stood outside the white house, got egged on by say Obama with the words "March on the Capitol, you need to fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore", stormed the building with pipe bombs, zip ties, combat gear and wanted to hang the democratically elected VP, would you not think this was illegal and hugely irresponsible by a president of the so called "best" democracy in the world? It perplexes me, you seem to be a fairly grounded poster, just when it comes to this I think a lot of us is finding it hard to understand how you can keep defending this sort of behaviour. I get that America is hugely split, but underneath the polished Democrat or Republican veneer there's still the values that America was built on. In my opinion that wasn't populism and supporting rich, old white men with no valid life experience who lost an election by over 10million votes. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, sidcow said: He lost to a record turnout. Then he invaded the capital to the horror of many A lot of his older voters will die and be replaced by younger more educated people His biggest funder has died. How is this suddenly going to swing back his was in 4 years? He doesn’t have to catch up the full 7-8million votes. Also this time, many people voted to get rid of trump, in 4 years they might not be very satisfied with biden and the trump time will be a bit forgotten. Add to that, Harris as probably candidate may not be seen as a consensus figure. I don’t think its impossible for trump to win in 4 years. edit: the Ds can counter the gerrymandering and voter suppression by giving statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, which would increase their tally in electoral college and senators. This will never be accepted by the Rs though. Edited January 28, 2021 by AXD Addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, villakram said: The voter fraud issue is not baseless. There are legitimate constitutional concerns regarding all of the various rule changes in many states prior to the election, and then there is the specific language in the federal constitution, which states that it is the state legislatures that select the electors for the electoral college. Legal scholars acknowledge this, indeed many of the same arguments have been made around the Bush/Gore debacle and then Bush/Kerry in 2004 regarding what went on in Ohio. This is politics. The dems are playing their cards. They are not playing alone. Let's see how it goes. Isn’t voter fraud and the question over the changing of election process different things? The minor voter fraud issues happen in every election but doesn’t change the outcome. The change in rules in election process and authority with that is up for debate if you want to argue that but the voters voted by the various methods their state advised them they could do legitimately. You can’t argue those votes are fraudulent and be thrown out. To be thrown out you assume those voters wouldn’t have voted by another method, which obviously isn’t the case. Voters followed the process outlined to them. As Madison Cawthorn (R-NC) found out when he was trying to argue against the swing states the other day, he was told that his North Carolina made similar changes that he’s arguing in swing states. He’s was stuck on that but said he’s fine on that, just bizarre and showing political narrative is the only consideration really otherwise we would be questioning half the states both red and blue. Edited January 28, 2021 by nick76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, AXD said: He doesn’t have to catch up the full 7-8million votes. Also this time, many people voted to get rid of trump, in 4 years they might not be very satisfied with biden and the trump time will be a bit forgotten. Add to that, Harris as probably candidate may not be seen as a consensus figure. I don’t think its impossible for trump to win in 4 years. edit: the Ds can counter the gerrymandering and voter suppression by giving statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, which would increase their tally in electoral college and senators. This will never be accepted by the Rs though. On the last point, you're right that these are things that *could* happen, and also right that they won't. That's largely because Republicans don't want to of course, but it's also because Dem Senate moderates don't want to remove the filibuster and vote en bloc to admit them. You're also right that Republicans don't need to actually win the popular vote. If they lost the popular vote by about 2% instead of 4.5% or whatever, they would sweep both branches of Congress and the presidency thanks to their respective adantages of gerrymandered congressional district lines, the rural bias of the Senate, and a probable bias in the electoral college. (Democracy, yay!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, AXD said: He doesn’t have to catch up the full 7-8million votes. Also this time, many people voted to get rid of trump, in 4 years they might not be very satisfied with biden and the trump time will be a bit forgotten. Add to that, Harris as probably candidate may not be seen as a consensus figure. I don’t think its impossible for trump to win in 4 years. edit: the Ds can counter the gerrymandering and voter suppression by giving statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, which would increase their tally in electoral college and senators. This will never be accepted by the Rs though. Missed a few pages but for Trump won’t run again. Too many R’s want to be President so will edge out the Trump narrative over the next few years and try encompass into their narrative. Their problem is Trump supporters are loyal only to Trump at this moment but they will position themselves as Trump 2.0 so we’ll see if that works. Cant see Trump being bothered in four years, because his age, golf, legal issues and backlash from QAnon supporters who realise Trump wasn’t the god they thought he was. Trump was never a politician, he didn’t enjoy being a politician but loved the adoration the role gave him. It’ll be interesting to see how big or not big his legal and financial issues will be. Knowing Trump he’ll avoid all the severe parts of these. For me, slowly over time, Trumps influence will decrease as R’s try and push him out so they can take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: On the last point, you're right that these are things that *could* happen, and also right that they won't. That's largely because Republicans don't want to of course, but it's also because Dem Senate moderates don't want to remove the filibuster and vote en bloc to admit them. I heard the DC Statehood resolution is being put in this week so the start of the process on that and I guess won’t go anywhere but let’s see Edited January 28, 2021 by nick76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 And so the next conspiracy theory nutcase in Congress is exposed, all welcome Marjorie Taylor Greene, a lady that hassles shooting victims, peddles dangerous Qanon crap, says 9\11 was an inside job and who by the way is loved by our favourite orange man Donny. Linky Quote Video surfaces of Marjorie Taylor Greene confronting Parkland shooting survivor with baseless claims After CNN reached out to Greene, her personal Twitter account posted a statement in which she did not deny that she had liked posts and replied to comments but claimed that many people have run her Facebook page. "Over the years, I've had teams of people manage my pages. Many posts have been liked. Many posts have been shared. Some did not represent my views. Especially the ones that CNN is about to spread across the internet," she wrote. Greene did not specify whether she or a member of her team were behind the posts reviewed by CNN's KFile. What's even better is that McCarthy who will 'talk' to the representative about her posts is now visiting Donald in Florida. It's like a bloody circus. The enabling from the minority leader is beyond dangerous. I wonder what Benjamin Netanyahu is thinking having supported Trump for so long and then realising that Trump is playing to a base full of anti-Semite racist #¤"#¤ like this lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, magnkarl said: And so the next conspiracy theory nutcase in Congress is exposed, all welcome Marjorie Taylor Greene, a lady that hassles shooting victims, peddles dangerous Qanon crap, says 9\11 was an inside job and who by the way is loved by our favourite orange man Donny. Linky What's even better is that McCarthy who will 'talk' to the representative about her posts is now visiting Donald in Florida. It's like a bloody circus. The enabling from the minority leader is beyond dangerous. I wonder what Benjamin Netanyahu is thinking having supported Trump for so long and then realising that Trump is playing to a base full of anti-Semite racist #¤"#¤ like this lady. Yeah he talked to her well didnt he? McCarthy is a disgrace He's now putting on the House Education Committee......so not only a "promotion" in political terms but into the committee which oversees the topic in which she, before being voting in, is on video hassling a Parkland school kid, the school that had the famous shooting. Disgraceful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 hours ago, magnkarl said: Hey man. You've been skirting around the issue here for weeks. If say ANTIFA and the outer left wing of the democratic party stood outside the white house, got egged on by say Obama with the words "March on the Capitol, you need to fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore", stormed the building with pipe bombs, zip ties, combat gear and wanted to hang the democratically elected VP, would you not think this was illegal and hugely irresponsible by a president of the so called "best" democracy in the world? It perplexes me, you seem to be a fairly grounded poster, just when it comes to this I think a lot of us is finding it hard to understand how you can keep defending this sort of behaviour. I get that America is hugely split, but underneath the polished Democrat or Republican veneer there's still the values that America was built on. In my opinion that wasn't populism and supporting rich, old white men with no valid life experience who lost an election by over 10million votes. You remember the time when everyone laughed at the president being evacuated to the secure bunker due to violence outside the White House? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Biden sends a B52 flying over the Persian gulf because Iran. Israel allowing it's F35s to be filmed flying daylight hour sorties over the sovereign country of Lebanon. Supply conveys trundling into the sovereign country of Syria to re-supply the US occupation force. No more oil drilling on federal lands though, winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, villakram said: You remember the time when everyone laughed at the president being evacuated to the secure bunker due to violence outside the White House? He went there for a short inspection, stop lying you crazy libt*rd! Trump is no coward Quote Trump claims he was in bunker for a ‘tiny' period of time to inspect it President also said on Fox News he visited the bunker in the daytime, not after dark as was reported Donald Trump has claimed to have spent only a “tiny” amount of time in a reinforced security bunker under the White House as protesters clashed with Secret Service agents outside and has insisted his time there was for an “inspection”, not his own safety. Edited January 28, 2021 by AXD Add link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 16 hours ago, villakram said: You remember the time when everyone laughed at the president being evacuated to the secure bunker due to violence outside the White House? I do remember you avoiding every question about your stance and quite clear hypocrisy on the Trump saga. We have the same sort of issues over in the UK though, so it's not a biggie. Some people tie themselves to the mast with say BoJo or Corbyn and refuse to listen to any fact presented 'because..innit.' It's good to see that facts are purely subjective in the US nowadays. I see a Neo-Nazi with a t-shirt mocking holocaust survivors, you see ANTIFA. I see Trump's tweets about not being evacuated to the bunker, you see him being evacuated, probably because of ANTIFA. The path that a lot of Trumpsters are on is reminiscent of the 1930's in Europe. Sadly American history lessons don't cover how populism and division has essentially tore our continent up and led to the murder of millions of people purely on the fact that someone can peddle his alternative facts on race and 'othering' of people. In Europe Trump would be put so far right on the spectrum that Orban and Duda looks like socialists compared to him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumerican Posted January 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2021 Villa won 10 games in a row under Trump. Some of you libflakes have short memories. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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