snowychap Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Keyblade said: There was that one tweet from him where he basically said "I didn't use assault weapons in Afghanistan so we could bring them here and kill each other" Have you got a link to that tweet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: Have you got a link to that tweet? Here's the one from a couple of years ago: And this one from 3 days ago: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, Keyblade said: He does the Obama act better than Beto O'Rourke that's for sure. Being the smart guy in the room is about the extent of his shtick though and there's not much beneath that. So would I, to be fair. Beto is about as charismatic as a potted plant. He does it better than everyone else too, though, which makes me think he’ll stay in the race for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Here's the one from a couple of years ago: And this one from 3 days ago: Do those tweets convey the message you did in your post? Edited August 9, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, snowychap said: Do those tweets convey the message you did in your post? It's actually even worse than the way I remembered it. Dumpster fire of a tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Keyblade said: It's actually even worse than the way I remembered it. Dumpster fire of a tweet. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, snowychap said: Really? It seems he was okay with assault rifles when they were massacring Afghans in an illegal war but draws the line at Americans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Keyblade said: It seems he was okay with assault rifles when they were massacring Afghans in an illegal war but draws the line at Americans. That's more than a bit shit. Edited August 9, 2019 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Just read that someone walked into a walmart yesterday in body armour with a loaded hand guns and rifle just to see if Walmart were still respecting his rights to the second amendment he then got stopped by an armed off duty fireman , which is just as WTF , he’s lucky he wasn’t stopped by a .44 through his head in the current climate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Keyblade said: It seems he was okay with assault rifles when they were massacring Afghans in an illegal war but draws the line at Americans. This is a joke surely. Obviously if he's sent out to war he's going to be using military grade equipment. His tweets certainly don't appear to convey the point you were making and one of them you cannot source. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 10, 2019 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Keyblade said: Here's the one from a couple of years ago: And this one from 3 days ago: Yeah, the first tweet is a dumpster fire, the second not so much. The first one is cringe, because he’s linking two completely unconnected things at two different times, to try and make himself look good to US voters. The second one is absolutely fine and common sense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 The second tweet I read as oh did I tell you about that time I served in Afghanistan. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: This is a joke surely. Obviously if he's sent out to war he's going to be using military grade equipment. His tweets certainly don't appear to convey the point you were making and one of them you cannot source. "Sent out" He voluntarily joined. You make it sound like he was drafted. Even if he was drafted, his country shouldn't have been there in the first place. It was (I guess still is) a tenuously legal war at best, against a country/entity that never attacked them or had anything to do with 9/11. So while he's right that people shouldn't be using assault rifles in America, he shouldn't have been using one in Afghanistan either and it's just a weird thing to brag about I'm sure you'd agree. Like I said, Americans, even the well-meaning liberals, seem to take their country's imperialist wars for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, blandy said: Yeah, the first tweet is a dumpster fire, the second not so much. The first one is cringe, because he’s linking two completely unconnected things at two different times, to try and make himself look good to US voters. The second one is absolutely fine and common sense. I only posted the second one as I found it while trying (and failing) to search for the first one and was surprised that he went for a similar angle despite the fact that he received such a backlash the first time. Nothing wrong with what he said there, it's just weird that he's always shoehorning his military service where he can. But I guess that's American politics for you, and that apparently plays well to the average voter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Keyblade said: "Sent out" He voluntarily joined. You make it sound like he was drafted. Even if he was drafted, his country shouldn't have been there in the first place. It was (I guess still is) a tenuously legal war at best, against a country/entity that never attacked them or had anything to do with 9/11. So while he's right that people shouldn't be using assault rifles in America, he shouldn't have been using one in Afghanistan either and it's just a weird thing to brag about I'm sure you'd agree. Like I said, Americans, even the well-meaning liberals, seem to take their country's imperialist wars for granted. I can't figure out whether this post is some sort of satire. If you join the military you don't have the luxury of choosing where to go, Afghanistan is one place among many where he could have been sent, presumably refusing to go would have resulted in either a dishonourable discharge or a court martial. The point you make about he "shouldn't have been using an assault rifle in Afghanistan" is outrageously bizarre. He's being sent to a war zone, he will therefore be equipped with military grade equipment. None of this makes him "psychopathic", which is your initial allegation about him. Silly season in this thread isn't it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I think the point about shoe horning his military background into a lot of conversations is valid, though, even if I’m prepared to accept that says more about American political discourse than it does about Mayor Pete in particular. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keyblade Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I can't figure out whether this post is some sort of satire. If you join the military you don't have the luxury of choosing where to go, Afghanistan is one place among many where he could have been sent, presumably refusing to go would have resulted in either a dishonourable discharge or a court martial. The point you make about he "shouldn't have been using an assault rifle in Afghanistan" is outrageously bizarre. He's being sent to a war zone, he will therefore be equipped with military grade equipment. None of this makes him "psychopathic", which is your initial allegation about him. Silly season in this thread isn't it? I'm not talking about what he should have done at that moment in time. He was there, he did what he did. I'm not criticizing him for his actions at the time. I'm talking about after the fact, years later in 2017. Especially having been there first hand and with the benefit of hindsight, you would think he'd see that it was just as wrong to use an assault rifle in Afghanistan, but instead he seems perfectly fine with it and used it to contrast with a completely unrelated situation. You'd just have to contrast this with his rival Tulsi Gabbard who also served in the military, but came out of it with a profoundly different perspective on US military intervention and has built her platform on non-interventionism. Do you think she'd ever make a comment like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: If you join the military you don't have the luxury of choosing where to go, Afghanistan is one place among many where he could have been sent Isn't that the point that's being made? That he knew this, and was content to join up on that basis, supporting an invasion (one among so many)? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 So Mr Epstein, with lots of info about sex abuse by very powerful people, on suicide watch in prison, manages to commit suicide. Oh, right. I expect the CCTV will have malfunctioned, or been eaten by bears or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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