HanoiVillan Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I heartily approve of this restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 23, 2018 Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2018 Just now, HanoiVillan said: I heartily approve of this restaurant. As do many of the reviewers who've never been there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Calling for immigrants to be removed without judge or courts. Literal tyranny. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) People being refused service in an establishment due their sexual persuasion --> bad People being refused service in an establishment due their racial persuasion --> bad People being refused service in an establishment due their political persuasion --> Good, woohooo..... nananananana, suck it losers, woohoo Edited June 25, 2018 by villakram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, villakram said: People being refused service in an establishment due their political persuasion I thought she was refused because she's a shameless, lying word removed? Edited June 25, 2018 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, snowychap said: I thought she was refused because she's a politician? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 I made a point earlier in the thread that I wasn't comfortable with Nielsen being barracked in the Mexican Restaurant. Sure what she represents is heinous but where is the line between public and personal life? It will just escalate (as it is doing) on both sides and end up with some whack job going in with a gun. As odious as 99% of the Trump administration are and as much as I despise them for their policies and hypocrisy etc. etc. you still have to accept that they are a symbiotic part of our society. I mean isn't that basic Plato? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, villakram said: Exactly. No, not exactly, not at all. Edited June 25, 2018 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, snowychap said: No, not exactly, at all. Oh, come on now. You do see my point. @TheAuthority has made it a tad more eloquently above. Simplistically... "How dare you good Sir! We didn't kick them out because they are Gay/Black, but because they are disgusting liberals/democrats". That's a good prescription for a functioning society that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, villakram said: People being refused service in an establishment due their sexual persuasion --> bad People being refused service in an establishment due their racial persuasion --> bad People being refused service in an establishment due their political persuasion --> Good, woohooo..... nananananana, suck it losers, woohoo A couple of points, not necessarily related. The first two options there are discriminating people for who they are, something they don't have much choice about. The third is choice. There's a difference there. Secondly, personally I'm quite happy for a business to refuse service for whatever the **** they like (including bakers with problems with making cakes for gay people, or refusing to serve black people, or turning away evil wastes of skin like Huckabee-Sanders). They can accept the backlash for being bigoted words removed in most cases, and a huge popularity boost when they bin moral black holes like that shabbily dressed lying wardrobe. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: A couple of points, not necessarily related. The first two options there are discriminating people for who they are, something they don't have much choice about. The third is choice. There's a difference there. Secondly, personally I'm quite happy for a business to refuse service for whatever the **** they like (including bakers with problems with making cakes for gay people, or refusing to serve black people, or turning away evil wastes of skin like Huckabee-Sanders). They can accept the backlash for being bigoted words removed in most cases, and a huge popularity boost when they bin moral black holes like that shabbily dressed lying wardrobe. I take your point that it is their choices that they are being vilified for and not their race/sexual pref/gender etc. and there is a difference there that needs to be acknowledged. However, if that is the new norm, at what point does someones political choice/view/policy decision make me so disagreeable that I can justify physical action? Where is that line? Who decides it? Surely if it gets to that point we are in some sort of anarchy? For all of the popularity boost that the Red Hen is receiving for turning the odious Sanders away, they are also receiving equal abuse from the other side. In the US where guns are so freely available where does this path end? Edited June 25, 2018 by TheAuthority 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chindie said: A couple of points, not necessarily related. The first two options there are discriminating people for who they are, something they don't have much choice about. The third is choice. There's a difference there. Secondly, personally I'm quite happy for a business to refuse service for whatever the **** they like (including bakers with problems with making cakes for gay people, or refusing to serve black people, or turning away evil wastes of skin like Huckabee-Sanders). They can accept the backlash for being bigoted words removed in most cases, and a huge popularity boost when they bin moral black holes like that shabbily dressed lying wardrobe. You are correct. However, over here all such knowledge or "nuance" is absent and I only see this as leading somewhere bad. Retaliation and one-upmanship will occur, likely of a crude nature. What about a restaurant kicking out a pro-Brexit types in London? or vice-versa in Sunderland? That would be a very unhealthy societal development I hope you would agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowychap Posted June 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, villakram said: Oh, come on now. You do see my point. I've seen the point which you've erred in making, yes. I thought they refused to serve her because she's Sarah Huckabee Sanders? I may be wrong (if they just don't allow Republicans full stop then it falls in to the blanket discrimination as below) but if I'm not and they singled her out because she's who she is and they object to what she is doing and saying day in day out then they're saying they don't want to serve her because she's a word removed. There is a difference between a blanket ban against a group (i.e. based on prejudice and discrimination against that group due to colour, creed, nationality, sex, sexuality or even political persuasion) and saying that we don't want x in here because they're a word removed. I don't see why a no words removed policy is not fine, Edited June 25, 2018 by snowychap Spelling of Huckabee 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, villakram said: You are correct. However, over here all such knowledge or "nuance" is absent... It appeared absent in your post, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted June 25, 2018 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, villakram said: What about a restaurant kicking out a pro-Brexit types in London? or vice-versa in Sunderland? That would be a very unhealthy societal development I hope you would agree. Pro-Brexit types, like Republicans, Democrats, and anti-Brexit types are a pretty broad spectrum of people with a broad rationale for the beliefs and opinions they hold. SHS is the mouthpiece of an administration many deem to be abhorrent in their views, behaviours and communications. She is the fleshy jowels of rhetoric that have become the smokescreen of an executive branch that tacitly (at best) seems to endorse racial stereotyping, societal divisions and the inhumane treatment of fellow humans. Being pro-Brexit is very different to specifically being Nigel Farage. Being Republican is very different to specifically being Sarah Huckabee Sanders. She looks like someone took the facial pieces from a Mr Potato Head and stirred them into pink blancmange. But that's not her fault, so that's not a good reason to ask her to leave a restaurant. Being a professional alt-right gobshite, however, is a perfectly acceptable reason. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I take your point that it is their choices that they are being vilified for and not their race/sexual pref/gender etc. and there is a difference there that needs to be acknowledged. However, if that is the new norm, at what point does someones political choice/view/policy decision make me so disagreeable that I can justify physical action? Where is that line? Who decides it? Surely if it gets to that point we are in some sort of anarchy? For all of the popularity boost that the Red Hen is receiving for turning the odious Sanders away, they are also receiving equal abuse from the other side. In the US where guns are so freely available where does this path end? There's not a justification for physical action over anyone's opinion. There's not a through line from refusing to serve someone to punching them. That the reaction in the US for the opposition is to reach for their Beretta is just a damning indictment of the US. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Chindie said: There's not a justification for physical action over anyone's opinion. There's not a through line from refusing to serve someone to punching them. I was thinking more of Nielsen in the restaurant. It was quite apparent that there were a lot of protestors and it's easy (for me at least) to see how that could escalate into a mob situation. Quote That the reaction in the US for the opposition is to reach for their Beretta is just a damning indictment of the US. Absolutely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, villakram said: You are correct. However, over here all such knowledge or "nuance" is absent and I only see this as leading somewhere bad. Retaliation and one-upmanship will occur, likely of a crude nature. What about a restaurant kicking out a pro-Brexit types in London? or vice-versa in Sunderland? That would be a very unhealthy societal development I hope you would agree. The US is completely **** if a restaurant can't refuse to serve someone. I'd be quite happy for a restaurant to chuck out Brexiteers if they wish. It's their business, if they want to turn away someone's money that's their choice. If it was my restaurant I probably wouldn't because I'd want the cash regardless. Maybe if they're being a real word removed about it I'd refuse to serve them. I'd bin Farage without a second thought, which is perhaps closer to this situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 25, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I was thinking more of Nielsen in the restaurant. It was quite apparent that there were a lot of protestors and it's easy (for me at least) to see how that could escalate into a mob situation. Absolutely agree. I don't have a problem with the Nielsen thing either. There are consequences for her position. People are perfectly at liberty to show their displeasure at that. If that extends to physical harm, that's wrong, but giving her some stick in a restaurant is something that comes with the territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 **** Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Is that enough nuance? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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