peterms Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: I hope he has a heart attack, the fat word removed. In all seriousness, I thought the security services would have assassinated him by now, and passed it off as a heart attack or some other natural cause. I don't get why they are allowing him to live, when he can be disruptive to their wider aims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 17, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, peterms said: In all seriousness, I thought the security services would have assassinated him by now, and passed it off as a heart attack or some other natural cause. I don't get why they are allowing him to live, when he can be disruptive to their wider aims. I'd worry that if he did have a heart attack, unless it was on live on TV it'd be claimed (in large numbers) that your scenario is what really happened and it was all a cover up. I know conspiracy theories are nothing new, but it seems like more people believe them than ever before. A consequence of more bots on social media? A consequence of more idiots in society? A consequence of painting everything except the swivel-eyed loons like Alex Jones as fake news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Funnily enough I watched JFK last night and thought where are the rogue FBI , CIA, Mafia and Cubans when you need them * * yes I know it was LHO acting alone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: I'd worry that if he did have a heart attack, unless it was on live on TV it'd be claimed (in large numbers) that your scenario is what really happened and it was all a cover up. I know conspiracy theories are nothing new, but it seems like more people believe them than ever before. A consequence of more bots on social media? A consequence of more idiots in society? A consequence of painting everything except the swivel-eyed loons like Alex Jones as fake news? I think the reason that conspiracy theories are more believed than years ago, is that we have better knowledge than years ago about the things that were actually done, denied, and derided as "conspiracies". When I see someone saying "Ooh, that's a conspiracy theory ", I translate it as "I am an idiot who needs assistance to count my own feet". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, peterms said: I think the reason that conspiracy theories are more believed than years ago, is that we have better knowledge than years ago about the things that were actually done, denied, and derided as "conspiracies". When I see someone saying "Ooh, that's a conspiracy theory ", I translate it as "I am an idiot who needs assistance to count my own feet". Unless of course, they are deriding actual, crazy batshit mental conspiracy theories like the moon landings not happening. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 17, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 17, 2018 Quote US President Donald Trump has shown no abnormal signs following a cognitive exam and is in excellent health, his White House doctor says. But what sort of questions was he asked? See if you can answer them all. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42717163 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Worth a watch to see the different mindset at play, for those of us conditioned to expect a certain style from our politicians. BBC 1 Panorama Trump Voters One Year On It has a number of statistics in it that basically show that he still plays well to his base (which we already knew). But stats along the line of 89% of Trump voters think he's done a great job so far and would vote for him again. I guess what you've got to rationalise, is in a 2 horse race in the UK, is there any candidate Labour could put up, that would cause their core vote to chose the Maybot. Every slap in the face of accepted political behaviour by Trump, proves to his voters he's not just another career politician. Which in a land where people carry a gun to protect themselves against the state... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42717163 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: guess what you've got to rationalise, is in a 2 horse race in the UK, is there any candidate Labour could put up, that would cause their core vote to chose the Maybot. Corbyn ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, tonyh29 said: Corbyn ? I did pause and think, there's an obvious retort here... But yeah, programme's worth a watch to see another way of looking at Trump. Incidentally, on the conspiracy theories, I think the JFK one has a lot of serious backers. Most of the others are just fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Worth a watch to see the different mindset at play, for those of us conditioned to expect a certain style from our politicians. BBC 1 Panorama Trump Voters One Year On It has a number of statistics in it that basically show that he still plays well to his base (which we already knew). But stats along the line of 89% of Trump voters think he's done a great job so far and would vote for him again. I guess what you've got to rationalise, is in a 2 horse race in the UK, is there any candidate Labour could put up, that would cause their core vote to chose the Maybot. Every slap in the face of accepted political behaviour by Trump, proves to his voters he's not just another career politician. Which in a land where people carry a gun to protect themselves against the state... But seriously , this Week , last week had a small piece on Trump where someone was defending him ... surprisingly I didn’t pick up my phone and start fact checking these claims but from memory it was black unemployment is at its lowest level ever his (corporation ? ) tax breaks meant the US economy was booming his stance on Iran was working he’d brought stability to the Middle East ( via the embassy move ) .. tbh this one I don’t think needs to be fact checked you only have to switch on the news to see it can’t be true He’s unpopular in New York and SAN Francisco as you’d expect but seemed to be popular in most other places I think that was the gist of it (it was a week ago so the claims may have been presented differently tbf ) the panel were talking about a second term being a possibility which I’m fairly sure they wouldn’t have entertained a year ago so it sorta backs up some of your Post as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 He's probably the most preposterous human being I've ever come across, if they could vote for him once then I'm sure they could easily vote for him a second time, no matter what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, Risso said: Unless of course, they are deriding actual, crazy batshit mental conspiracy theories like the moon landings not happening. Ooh yeah. Of course most people who are called "conspiracy theorists" don't say the moon landings didn't happen, or the world is a giant toffee apple constructed by an iguana called Bxing, or that accountants are basically honest. They say things like "Maybe the White Helmets, since they only operate in Isis-controlled areas and plainly fabricate their videos showing heroic rescues, woukd merit closer scrutiny". Plainly beyond the bounds of rational debate. Anyway, you have a conspiracy theory to alert us to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, peterms said: Ooh yeah. Of course most people who are called "conspiracy theorists" don't say the moon landings didn't happen, or the world is a giant toffee apple constructed by an iguana called Bxing, or that accountants are basically honest. They say things like "Maybe the White Helmets, since they only operate in Isis-controlled areas and plainly fabricate their videos showing heroic rescues, woukd merit closer scrutiny". Plainly beyond the bounds of rational debate. Anyway, you have a conspiracy theory to alert us to? oooo oooo oo, I know this, I know this.... steel beams and... oh feck, I forget the rest or central banks conspire to manipulate global markets in favor of those with assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, villakram said: or central banks conspire to manipulate global markets in favor of those with assets. A concise definition of the actual effect of QE, though not the stated intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted January 18, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, villakram said: oooo oooo oo, I know this, I know this.... steel beams and... oh feck, I forget the rest or central banks conspire to manipulate global markets in favor of those with assets. One of those has slightly more circumstantial evidence than the other to support its possibility of actually being true. Seriously, how could anyone believe the banks would cater to their constituents over the downtrodden? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post il_serpente Posted January 18, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: the panel were talking about a second term being a possibility which I’m fairly sure they wouldn’t have entertained a year ago Given his approval rating is in the 30's and the opposition has shown to be highly energized in recent special elections, I actually think a 2nd term is less of a possibility than a year ago. The Republicans as a group won't break with him before 2018 because they need his base to survive their primaries for house and senate and he'll continue to draw all the attention while they screw the nation in the background. Some individuals will stick with him even through 2020 if they're up for re-election. But once one viable candidate announces that they'll challenge him for the Repub nomination in 2020 the floodgates will open and he'll be toast. I think they all realize that he can't win a general election again. Republicans outside Trump's base will be desperate for an alternative. He was lucky enough to run against Hillary, whose candidacy already energized the right, at a time when people were looking for precisely the opposite of a mainstream insider. And he won't be an outsider himself any more. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 18, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42717163 2/5 not bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted January 18, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, villakram said: That wasn't my intention. It's more that I'm sick of hearing all these new people who suddenly care so much about things, but only because it now costs nothing to do so given that it's so popular to be against Trump. This is not intended as a shot at you btw. The US has long been $$ above everything else, but so many who were free-wheeling because the politicians spoke sugared words, now all of a sudden are up in arms. Like Trump has really changed that much. He hasn't. This is the standard to and fro of US politics. The GE/GM CEO will say that it's bad to pull out of Paris, yet they move(d) all their super polluting industry to China or somewhere else. This morn Ford basically announced that they are giving up on the low cost car segment as the profit and the sales are in SUVs etc., which have lower CAFE standards or some such loop hole. Americans care so much about the environment that SUV/Truck sales are growing growing growing. Similarly oil production has grown grown grown, while we all pretend that we care about the environment more now. This would be what circles back to why I don't really see pulling out of Paris as such a disaster. Pretending to solve the problem does nothing. It's all a big PR game. Slightly OT but the biggest thing an individual can do for the environment is to adopt a vegan diet. By no longer contributing to the meat and dairy industry you immediately cut your carbon footprint by more than 50%.* *(It's cheaper too and now, with all my extra cash, I travel everywhere by private jet.) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, peterms said: Ooh yeah. Of course most people who are called "conspiracy theorists" don't say the moon landings didn't happen, or the world is a giant toffee apple constructed by an iguana called Bxing, or that accountants are basically honest. They say things like "Maybe the White Helmets, since they only operate in Isis-controlled areas and plainly fabricate their videos showing heroic rescues, woukd merit closer scrutiny". Plainly beyond the bounds of rational debate. Anyway, you have a conspiracy theory to alert us to? Yes, I tried to communicate it to you via the medium of telepathy, but I think your tinfoil hat is blocking the signal. Edited January 18, 2018 by Risso 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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