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Meanwhile China and Russia have agreed to shadow the US battleships to make sure Trump doesn't do anything stupid.

If that isn't a sign of the USA's decline, I'm not sure what is. Actually, I can name many more signs, but w/e.

It's also a sobering harbinger of future geopolitical maneuvering; A China-Russia military alliance against the US, with whatever they can get out of NK, Iran, Turkey, and even Pakistan would be daunting.

WW3 inches closer and closer

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2 hours ago, maqroll said:

Meanwhile China and Russia have agreed to shadow the US battleships to make sure Trump doesn't do anything stupid.

This is normal and happens all the time. When Russian vessels move in waters adjacent to Europe NATO vessels overtly work in relays to do the same thing.

Thst doesn't include aircraft and the subs that provide more covert surveillance and collection on unfriendly vessels.

 

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31 minutes ago, maqroll said:

Chinese-Russian joint military maneuvers?

Yes, they've been conducting joint naval exercises since 2014. 

Also increased arms sales and even IP sharing in some defence areas. Started after Putin invaded Ukraine.

Edit: to add, the geopolitical rivalry behind this is structural so not dependent on whoever is in the White House. What does change is how the US chooses to address that rivalry.

It's no surprise that Trump is swinging back towards a relatively more mainstream FP view because the constraints on his actions are built in to decades of policy making that went before him.

What he didn't need to do was call Erdogan to congratulate him on the referendum victory, but it does possibly signal his view of Turkey's future role in the Mid East. 

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Donald Trump forgets Paul Ryan's name and calls him Ron twice

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Donald Trump forgot House Speaker Paul Ryan's name during a speech in Wisconsin, twice referring to him as Ron.

Mr Trump was speaking about his "Buy American, Hire American" executive order and veered into addressing the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato), the 28-country military alliance which Mr Trump has called "obsolete" in the past. 

He appeared to make a joke about how Mr Ryan had a good excuse for not being at the speech in the Speaker of the House's home state, because he was "with Nato".

“I said, Ron, you’ve got to get these countries to start paying their bills a little bit more,” he said, referring to Mr Ryan but calling him by Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson's name.

Mr Trump added, “they’re way, way behind, Ron" regarding other countries' contributions to Nato. 

:crylaugh:

Senile old man. Watch the video. Senile.

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1 hour ago, chrisp65 said:

Is the Trump armada off the coast of North Korea yet....?

 

Of course not, it's gone to Australia.

 

Ridiculous, Australia is a completely landlocked country.

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15 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Yesterday was Krauthammer Day

And talking as we were of irresponsible warmongers, cop a load of this guy:

Lindsey Graham calls for preemptive strike on North Korea

Speaking during an interview with NBC News’ Today Show, the Senate Armed Services Committee member said he would support a preemptive strike on Kim Jong-un’s regime regardless of the potential negative effect for adjacent nations like China, South Korea, and Japan.

“Would you be for a preemptive strike?” Today Show host Willie Geist asked the South Carolina Republican. "If that's what it would take,” Graham replied resolutely.

"It would be terrible but the war would be over here (there), wouldn't be here," Graham continued. "It would be bad for the Korean Peninsula. It would be bad for China. It would be bad for Japan, be bad for South Korea. It would be the end of North Korea. But what it would not do is hit America and the only way it could ever come to America is with a missile."

http://www.trunews.com/article/lindsey-graham-calls-for-preemptive-strike-on-north-korea

So it 'would be bad' for millions of people (and it would definitely be a war crime for the ages) but hey ho, them's the breaks I guess. The man is a dangerous, irresponsible lunatic. 

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Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing

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Top Trump administration officials will hold a rare briefing on Wednesday at the White House for the entire U.S. Senate on the situation in North Korea, senior Senate aides said on Monday.

All 100 senators have been asked to the White House for the briefing by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats and General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the aides said.

While top administration officials routinely travel to Capitol Hill to address members of Congress on foreign policy and national security matters, it is unusual for the entire 100-member Senate to go to such an event at the White House, and for those four top officials to be involved.

U.S. officials have expressed mounting concern over North Korea's nuclear and missile tests, and its threats to attack the United States and its Asian allies.

President Donald Trump criticized North Korea's "continued belligerence" and said its actions were destabilizing during a telephone call with Chinese President Xi Jinping on Sunday, the White House said.

The briefing will take place at 3 p.m. EDT.

House aides said they were working with the White House to set a similar briefing for members of the House of Representatives.

 

War time? 

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5 minutes ago, a m ole said:

Trump claims he would "still beat Hillary in the popular vote"

Which he lost by nearly 3 million in the election.

If the election contest were decided by popular vote, Trump would have competed for the popular vote. You play by the rules, not how you wish the rules were.

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