blandy Posted October 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, peterms said: Yes, the NYT has done this one before. It's a hospital, right? Co-ordinates provided, as per normal - "Don't bomb the hospital" Quote Each was on a United Nations-sponsored “deconfliction list” meant to spare it from attack, according to the World Health Organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, blandy said: Co-ordinates provided, as per normal - "Don't bomb the hospital" You think that ditch was a hospital? Seriously? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Oooooo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted October 18, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, peterms said: You think that ditch was a hospital? Seriously? Obviously I've no idea if this is a Photoshop job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, peterms said: Oooooo. This is getting WWF, yeah!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 I'm all for the USA clearing out entirely from every country it's occupying, including Germany, Italy, Japan, Cuba, Panama, etc. The way Trump has done it it foolish, dangerous and clearly corrupt as well. (Pending business deal in Istanbul) Sad days for the US military who literally bombed it's own base in N. Syria while fleeing from the army it just dropped to it's knees for. Total humiliation for our military and foreign service. Which is what Moscow has always sought. Amazing days. Incredibly sad for the Kurdish people. Another low point for the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 Don't rule out Hillary Clinton in 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 19, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 hours ago, peterms said: You think that ditch was a hospital? Seriously? Absolutely. WATCH THE VIDEO. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/russia-bombing-syrian-hospitals.html. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 19, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: Obviously I've no idea if this is a Photoshop job. It’s not, it’s a still from the video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 19, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 19, 2019 10 hours ago, peterms said: Oooooo. I like Tulsi Gabbard and what she’s had to do to get where she’s got to shows how ingrained and rotten their system is. Maybe a year ago I read an in depth thing on it all. Truly staggering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Tulsi is very much one of the outstanding candidates for me. I agree with her on most issues and she's an exceptional talker. The smear campaigns against her led by CNN and MSNBC have been disgraceful, Edited October 19, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted October 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2019 13 hours ago, peterms said: You think that ditch was a hospital? Seriously? We’re you imagining that after all these years a hospital out there was a big white building with a coffee franchise and local campaign to remove parking charges? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 hours ago, blandy said: Absolutely. WATCH THE VIDEO. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/russia-bombing-syrian-hospitals.html. The story is from Bellingcat, and the video from the White Helmets. These are not reliable sources. And the NYT is famous for giving us the WMD line, let's remember. It is alleged to clear stories with the US military and intelligence services. The building is a bunker in an area controlled by al-Qaeda or one of the other often-rebranded groups. The location means that the person writing the article didn't go there, and relies on information given by people operating under the wing of the group controlling the area. Other underground facilities in areas recaptured from these groups have been found to have various uses, both military and also medical facilities for the fighters. The inclusion of some medical facilities in such a place doesn't make it a hospital. If it had been a hospital, which it doesn't seem to be, and was also used for other military purposes, then according to the US it's a fair target. See for example a report on a bombing of an actual hospital, this. Quote United States-backed airstrikes launched Friday took out an Islamic State group headquarters located in a hospital in western Mosul, U.S. military officials said Saturday. In a statement released Saturday, the U.S. task force in Iraq and Syria said IS militants had been using a building located within the Al Jumhuri medical complex in Mosul for the sole purpose of overseeing its operations in Iraq. “ISIS continues to ignore the Law of Armed Conflict and uses protected sites such as hospitals, schools, and mosques to try and shield themselves from Coalition airstrikes,” the statement read using another acronym for Islamic State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Gabbard is the Stein of 2020. SHe's a distraction. A useful distraction. From https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dk4w9v/rep_tulsi_gabbard_gets_2020_endorsement_from/ Quote Here are some things people need to know about Tulsi Gabbard: Tulsi Gabbard comes from a family of conservative activists, most famous for their opposition to gay marriage in Hawaii: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party Tulsi Gabbard has said her personal views on LGBT equality haven't changed as recently as 2015: https://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/tulsi-gabbard-a-young-star-headed-for-the-cabinet/62604 Tulsi Gabbard is rated "F" by Progressive Punch for voting with Republicans, despite the strong progressive lean of her district: https://imgur.com/wDhVNKq Tulsi Gabbard was nearly a part of Trump's cabinet at Steve bannon's suggestion: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-rep-tulsi-gabbard-consideration-trump-cabinet/story?id=43696303 https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307106-bannon-set-up-trump-gabbard-meeting Tulsi Gabbard has also been praised multiple times by Steve Bannon, Trump's former strategist and prolific white nationalist propagandist: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/36352314/bannon-name-drops-hawaii-congresswoman-in-national-interview/ Tulsi Gabbard declined to join 169 Democrats in condemning Trump for appointing Steve Bannon to his cabinet: https://mauitime.com/news/politics/why-didnt-rep-tulsi-gabbard-join-169-of-her-colleagues-in-denouncing-trump-appointee-stephen-bannon/ Tulsi Gabbard isn't anti-war. She's a self-described hawk against terrorists. Her narrow objections center around efforts to spread democracy: "In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I'm a hawk," Gabbard said. "When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I'm a dove.": https://www.votetulsi.com/node/27796 Tulsi Gabbard copies the rhetoric of Republicans: Gabbard voted against condemning Bashar al-Assad, president of Syria, and was praised by conservative media for publicly challenging President Barack Obama over his refusal to use the term "Islamic extremism" when discussing terrorism: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/28/tulsi-gabbard-slams-obamas-refusal-to-say-islamic-/ Tulsi Gabbard also copies the policy of Republicans, voting with them to block Syrian refugees: https://medium.com/@pplswar/tulsi-gabbard-voted-to-make-it-virtually-impossible-for-syrian-refugees-to-come-to-the-u-s-11463d0a7a5a Tulsi Gabbard has multiple connections to Hindu nationalists: https://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/curious-islamophobic-politics-dem-congressmember-tulsi-gabbard Tulsi Gabbard frequently repeats Russian talking points and works to legitimize Assad: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats Tulsi Gabbard was one of only 3 representatives to not condemn Assad for gassing Syrian civilians and the only Democrat: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/121/text Tulsi Gabbard has introduced legislation pushed by GOP-megadonor, Sheldon Adelson: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-adelson-idUSBREA2P0BJ20140326 Tulsi was later awarded a "Champions of Freedom" medal at Adelson's annual gala in 2016: https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-the-bernie-endorsing-congresswoman-who-trump-fans-can-love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 13 hours ago, chrisp65 said: We’re you imagining that after all these years a hospital out there was a big white building with a coffee franchise and local campaign to remove parking charges? Yes I was, and don't call me Shirley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 7 hours ago, StefanAVFC said: Gabbard is the Stein of 2020. SHe's a distraction. A useful distraction. From https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dk4w9v/rep_tulsi_gabbard_gets_2020_endorsement_from/ Gabbard seems to be supported by the (relatively small) group of Democrats who hated Clinton so much that they became Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Stopped reading at "Tulsi Gabbard is rated "F" by Progressive Punch" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Gabbard is a threat to the neo-liberals, hence they'll smear her in any and every way possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 18/10/2019 at 21:18, maqroll said: I'm all for the USA clearing out entirely from every country it's occupying, including Germany, Italy, Japan, Cuba, Panama, etc. The way Trump has done it it foolish, dangerous and clearly corrupt as well. (Pending business deal in Istanbul) Sad days for the US military who literally bombed it's own base in N. Syria while fleeing from the army it just dropped to it's knees for. Total humiliation for our military and foreign service. Which is what Moscow has always sought. Amazing days. Incredibly sad for the Kurdish people. Another low point for the USA. I would have thought the murdering and destruction of foreign countries would have done that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 21, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 20/10/2019 at 08:05, Dr_Pangloss said: Stopped reading at "Tulsi Gabbard is rated "F" by Progressive Punch" Wow that Progressive Punch thing is some batshit crazy statistical bullshit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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