El Zen Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 It’s performance art, really. Satire, surely. It’s just a shame about the very real consequences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 He is bringing troops home. The political class will talk allies and politics, the lower class decimated by 20 years of war will see this differently. Playing to his base and not removing the invading US forces from the Syrian oil fields... madness, errr ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 7, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2019 Certifiably insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Certifiably insane. Yep, and that's dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 He’s copping a lot of criticism over this from usually supportive Republicans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted October 7, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2019 Trump = Demonic Cummings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 7, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2019 The cognitive dissonance of the GOP 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, bickster said: Trump = Demonic Cummings? Technically I think it's his father's demonic cummings that were the problem 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 6 hours ago, villakram said: He is bringing troops home. The political class will talk allies and politics, the lower class decimated by 20 years of war will see this differently. Playing to his base and not removing the invading US forces from the Syrian oil fields... madness, errr ok. The one bright spot on Trump's record is his bucking the M-I-C. That said, the way he's done things here with the Kurds is idiotic. The Kurds will never trust the USA again, nor should they, and every one of our other allies will be wondering if they can too. Yet another capitulation to Moscow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 He is supposedly accompanied everywhere by someone with a briefcase containing the means to launch nuclear strikes. Presumably that has been made inactive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 13 hours ago, maqroll said: The one bright spot on Trump's record is his bucking the M-I-C. That said, the way he's done things here with the Kurds is idiotic. The Kurds will never trust the USA again, nor should they, and every one of our other allies will be wondering if they can too. Yet another capitulation to Moscow. Cold war thinking is one of the prime problems in US imperial thinking. This helps Moscow?!? So acquiescing to an important geo-strategically positioned NATO ally as opposed to telling them to do one and hasten their re-alignment with the SCO, helps Moscow... right. The US shafted the kurds in the 90s too least you forget. They are not some poor children or other, that we can use to make ourselves feel better by helping... an awful lot of orientalism is involved in this thought process (not a direct shot at you btw). The Kurds have had clear strategic choices available and must now bear the consequences of some of those. Others will now open up. But perhaps, this is for the Kurds to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 8, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, villakram said: Cold war thinking is one of the prime problems in US imperial thinking. This helps Moscow?!? So acquiescing to an important geo-strategically positioned NATO ally as opposed to telling them to do one and hasten their re-alignment with the SCO, helps Moscow... right. The US shafted the kurds in the 90s too least you forget. They are not some poor children or other, that we can use to make ourselves feel better by helping... an awful lot of orientalism is involved in this thought process (not a direct shot at you btw). The Kurds have had clear strategic choices available and must now bear the consequences of some of those. Others will now open up. But perhaps, this is for the Kurds to figure out. I sometimes wonder if we live in parallel universes 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Yes, this seems to be developing into a normal one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted October 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yes, this seems to be developing into a normal one: Trump is staying true to the MO that's worked reasonably well for him from the early days of his campaign through the first 2 1/2 years of his term: When in trouble, attack the source, the process, or some peripheral entity associated with the opposition. The real problem in Ukraine is that Biden is corrupt and he can't believe the press and Democrats aren't interested in rooting out corruption and congratulating him for doing something about it. The whistleblower is a partisan hack who wasn't even in the room during the call and therefore should be dismissed outright. The impeachment investigation is not legitimate because the Republicans aren't getting equal input on how to go about it, so he doesn't need to cooperate. Adam Schiff is an illegitimate Intelligence Committee chair who should be removed and tried for treason. The impeachment investigation is an attempted coup that undermines democracy. His problem this time is that the evidence is starkly visible and very straightforward for even the laziest, non-political person to see: Arms for Dirt. He can't gaslight the public by telling them black is white when it's plain to see that it isn't and it's continuously put in front of their face as a reminder. A plurality now supports impeachment, and it's approaching a majority. The ones who might believe his BS accusations haven't needed to be convinced, as they've been with him from the start. The ones who didn't have the time, energy or interest to wade through the 400-page Mueller or listen to objective sources about what it really said will not be as easily spun this time. With that said, Senator Lindsey Graham has said he wants to invite Rudy Giuliani to testify in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee about the "disturbing allegations" regarding "corruption in Ukraine" that he has brought forward. Three Democratic presidential candidates are on the committee, including former prosecutor Kamala Harris. This could backfire on Graham and Trump. I hope to god Trump drags that gutless worm down with him, along with all the other spineless Republicans who have abandoned the few principles they had and hitched their hopes of political survival to the derailing Trump train. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Does this include their monetary and military support to Israel over the years? No? Yeah I thought not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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