Awol Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 (edited) Talking heads predicting a win for NO with about 60% of the vote. The EU's bluff has finally been called... Edited July 5, 2015 by Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I remember seeing some ancient TV footage as a kid, where A J P Taylor explained how Germany's failure to send a batch of telegraph poles to France, as part of their war reparations, prompted the French to send troops in to occupy the Ruhr. This prompted the Germans to go on strike, which led directly to the hyper-inflation, which caused the economic crisis which brought Hitler to power. So will Germany invade Greece by sending in the shock troops of economic terrorism, or remember their history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Samaras resigns as opposition leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I remember seeing some ancient TV footage as a kid, where A J P Taylor explained how Germany's failure to send a batch of telegraph poles to France, as part of their war reparations, prompted the French to send troops in to occupy the Ruhr. This prompted the Germans to go on strike, which led directly to the hyper-inflation, which caused the economic crisis which brought Hitler to power. So will Germany invade Greece by sending in the shock troops of economic terrorism, or remember their history? Not forgetting that events in the Balkans have form for getting a bit out of hand at the drop of a hat. I think the EZ will blink first, if not then expect the unexpected! As an aside, OXI Day is celebrated in Greece every year to commemorate their one word reply to an Axis ultimatum in WW2. Brave, but shortly afterwards Germany kicked the beejesus out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I remember seeing some ancient TV footage as a kid, where A J P Taylor explained how Germany's failure to send a batch of telegraph poles to France, as part of their war reparations, prompted the French to send troops in to occupy the Ruhr. This prompted the Germans to go on strike, which led directly to the hyper-inflation, which caused the economic crisis which brought Hitler to power. So will Germany invade Greece by sending in the shock troops of economic terrorism, or remember their history? Not forgetting that events in the Balkans have form for getting a bit out of hand at the drop of a hat. I think the EZ will blink first, if not then expect the unexpected! As an aside, OXI Day is celebrated in Greece every year to commemorate their one word reply to an Axis ultimatum in WW2. Brave, but shortly afterwards Germany kicked the beejesus out of them. Yeah, I remember that from Olivia Manning's The Balkan Trilogy - the Greeks thought they had won because they defeated the Italians but then the Germans turned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Calling this reffo is looking like a good move for the Greek government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 ...reffo...No! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 ...reffo... No! Well that's how my imaginary Greek inner self voted. In the referendum (reffo to its friends). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post El Zen Posted July 5, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2015 The idea of a European Union is a lovely one. I used to be a big fan. In reality, though, it is little more than an apparatus for forcing neo-liberalist dogma on nations entirely unsuitable for such policies. The EU can and should be a force for good and to be that, it needs to take a step back. It has become too integrated, too fast. The member states are too different, and their policies need to be different too. Other nations will hopefully follow the example set by Mr. Tsipras and the peple of Greece tonight. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 6, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2015 Varoufakis' head offered to placate the Eurozone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 So, everyone is agreed, the Greek's have shown the way ahead and stuck it to the man by refusing to pay back money they should never have been given in the first place that was going to enslave them with repayments for generations. We're ok with them not paying us back the 10 Billion Euros they owe us? We can after all, simply make up the lost money with some additional cuts..... It's all a bit of a bugger really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Varoufakis' head offered to placate the Eurozone... Too little too late. Strange that the Finance minister resigns after a 60+% win in a referendum to endorse his parties policies. What would he have done if he lost the referendum? The inmates are running the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 So, everyone is agreed, the Greek's have shown the way ahead and stuck it to the man by refusing to pay back money they should never have been given in the first place that was going to enslave them with repayments for generations. We're ok with them not paying us back the 10 Billion Euros they owe us? We can after all, simply make up the lost money with some additional cuts..... It's all a bit of a bugger really. The consequences are as yet unknown but I think we can rest assured that this will cost us all, and it is only a matter of how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) The idea of a European Union is a lovely one. I used to be a big fan. In reality, though, it is little more than an apparatus for forcing neo-liberalist dogma on nations entirely unsuitable for such policies. The EU can and should be a force for good and to be that, it needs to take a step back. It has become too integrated, too fast. The member states are too different, and their policies need to be different too. Other nations will hopefully follow the example set by Mr. Tsipras and the peple of Greece tonight. No nation is suitable for neo liberal politics, and no people should be made to suffer the consequences of it's utterly flawed and bullshit ideology Also, Whilst the Eu isn't blameless, the focus needs to be on the IMF and the world bank.so often behind the instruments of financial ruin inflicted on nations Edited July 6, 2015 by mockingbird_franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Two ways to conquer and enslave the people of a nation, one is with the sword, the other is with debt. both should be met with equal resistance, other nations prefer the sword, those that practice usury prefer debt, though they are not disinclined to the use of the sword, after all it provides an excellent means for debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 The idea of a European Union is a lovely one. I used to be a big fan. In reality, though, it is little more than an apparatus for forcing neo-liberalist dogma on nations entirely unsuitable for such policies. The EU can and should be a force for good and to be that, it needs to take a step back. It has become too integrated, too fast. The member states are too different, and their policies need to be different too. Other nations will hopefully follow the example set by Mr. Tsipras and the peple of Greece tonight. No nation is suitable for neo liberal politics, and no people should be made to suffer the consequences of it's utterly flawed and bullshit ideology Oh, I agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 The inmates are running the asylum. Much preferable to Nurse Ratched and a lobotomy, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 So, everyone is agreed, the Greek's have shown the way ahead and stuck it to the man by refusing to pay back money they should never have been given in the first place that was going to enslave them with repayments for generations. We're ok with them not paying us back the 10 Billion Euros they owe us? We can after all, simply make up the lost money with some additional cuts..... It's all a bit of a bugger really. Well, they probably wouldn't be able to repay anyway under enforced austerity keeping them in depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Spain must be watching this all with keen interest...there has to be a sort of visceral joy in telling the Germans to go stuff themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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