AVFCforever1991 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Need to restore some Regional Pride. I Guess im one of the few that changed from being a Man U fan to a Villa Fan I also did bud, my dad sat me down and made me see the light. Who wants to support United anyway. It'd be a peace of piss. Boohoo we missed out on a title, so let's spunk aload of money on RVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Let's see, having some of the best players in the world in your team, being able to attract better, winning things (including football matches which we haven't done regularly for a while now), and playing the best teams in Europe. Yes I'd love that thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffa Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 It's one thing doing a Man City (or Blackburn) it's another conquering Europe by shrewd signings, great manergirial awareness, teamwork, and partisan support. Been there done that - want it again - the hard way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 The Man City experiment will all end in tears. I'd rather watch non league football tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 It's indicative of modern society that stuff like this is even debated......everyone wants everything and they want it now and do not see the value or point in working hard for it. Doesn't matter how hard you work if you don't have significant money, you will get nowhere in the modern game.# Really? Swansea Montpellier Remind me again what Swansea have won? Success is relative, it doesn't have to be about winning trophies. They were bottom of the entire football league 10 years ago, now they're near the top of the Prem. Yes exactly, they prove the point. In leagues not dominated by money (and the French league did fall into that category, though not anymore) it is possible to work your way up to the top through hard work and good planning. Now Swansea have reached a league where only massive money can get you anywhere they have hit their ceiling. It doesn’t matter how much harder they work or how well organised they are, they will not with this league with out a multi billionaire investor. Well they're doing okay so far........what is it 2 wins and a draw plus a bag full of goals? Montpellier won the French league with having one of the smallest budgets in the division, up against seasoned Chumps Lge teams. I believe you're glossing over these two examples to try and further your own position. The French league has no where near the money of the Premier League or the Spanish league or even the Italian and German leagues. I'd fancy Villa to be a challenging for the title in the French league even with our current owner and set up. We will never challenge for the Premier League title again without a similar level of investment to Man City/Chelsea/Man U. Even rich teams like Arsenal/Liverpool/Tottenham won't have a chance of winning it unless they massively boost their spending. In this league money is the most important factor. Okaaaaay, no-ones debating that money rules the league (for now), but the bottom line is we don't have much of it and theres **** all point in debating whether we should have. Make the best of what we have and support the club, it's all you can ever do at the end of the day I have nothing to add here. Other than the fact that I find the massive size of all these quotes amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 It's indicative of modern society that stuff like this is even debated......everyone wants everything and they want it now and do not see the value or point in working hard for it. Doesn't matter how hard you work if you don't have significant money, you will get nowhere in the modern game.# Really? Swansea Montpellier Remind me again what Swansea have won? Success is relative, it doesn't have to be about winning trophies. They were bottom of the entire football league 10 years ago, now they're near the top of the Prem. Yes exactly, they prove the point. In leagues not dominated by money (and the French league did fall into that category, though not anymore) it is possible to work your way up to the top through hard work and good planning. Now Swansea have reached a league where only massive money can get you anywhere they have hit their ceiling. It doesn’t matter how much harder they work or how well organised they are, they will not with this league with out a multi billionaire investor. Well they're doing okay so far........what is it 2 wins and a draw plus a bag full of goals? Montpellier won the French league with having one of the smallest budgets in the division, up against seasoned Chumps Lge teams. I believe you're glossing over these two examples to try and further your own position. The French league has no where near the money of the Premier League or the Spanish league or even the Italian and German leagues. I'd fancy Villa to be a challenging for the title in the French league even with our current owner and set up. We will never challenge for the Premier League title again without a similar level of investment to Man City/Chelsea/Man U. Even rich teams like Arsenal/Liverpool/Tottenham won't have a chance of winning it unless they massively boost their spending. In this league money is the most important factor. Okaaaaay, no-ones debating that money rules the league (for now), but the bottom line is we don't have much of it and theres **** all point in debating whether we should have. Make the best of what we have and support the club, it's all you can ever do at the end of the day I have nothing to add here. Other than the fact that I find the massive size of all these quotes amusing. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Make the best of what we have and support the club, it's all you can ever do at the end of the day Did you feel this way when we couldn't even afford to sign Erik Bakke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Make the best of what we have and support the club, it's all you can ever do at the end of the day Did you feel this way when we couldn't even afford to sign Erik Bakke? That's an extreme point. As is the citeh way. I can understand that some want to do it the hard way, I want that most of all, but it probably won'ät make us as successfull as I want us to be. So, as said, I wouldn't be against a multi billionaire to take us over, but I can't help feeling that winning the league that way wouldn't feel as good as winning it like we did the last time. Or for me rather if we'd won it '89/90 or '92/93 when we were rather close. Those two occassions I remember. I didn't even know what Aston Villa was the last time we won it. It would probably be a bitter sweet moment. Yeah, we won! But we bought the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I remember the last title win as i was a season ticket holder that year (how lucky was i ) & i have to say it was made even sweeter as we were so unfancied at the time. I remember it was all about Liverpool, Leeds & well erm Nott'm Forest & we were never really taken seriously until we beat Liverpool 2-0 with goals from Withe & Mortimer. Anyways it was just such a genuine feeling of a really good football team having simply won through good honest hard work great play & no little skill I cannot imagine how it would feel to "Buy" the title like Man City & Chelsea.. It did not impress me personally one bit. Ok it was dramatic in that last game with City & QPR but how can that be deemed anywhere close to the achievement of that Villa side in 80-81? Or the Everton win in the 80's? So i'm torn as of course it would be brilliant to witness but i really don't thing it counts for a lot when won in that way. Just picture a formula 1 race with 17 Go Karts & 3 Formula 1 cars in it... Well that is the equivalent of the Premier League right now & it's farcical.. The only achievement is the team who finishes 4th as the top 3 are only competing against themselves in my opinion..How boring quite frankly. No wonder they keep billing it as "the greatest season ever" & all that nonsense.. it's a deliberate marketing ploy as it is clear it is just a very tiresome 3 horse race.. if anything the relegation battle is more interesting than the Title race. So yeah i'd love us to win it of course i would but it would be sweeter to win it genuinely. Is that possible? ... If it was a level playing field yes but it isn't as those top 3 are also protected by the officials so actually no it's impossible. Winning the league is now finishing 4th in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: "I am sure they are sour." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misanthrope Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Ah yes the clairvoyants are out again, predicting the ill-fated demise of Manchester City and their evil brand of mercenary football! I wonder if the same people(if alive) will be saying the same in 30 years time when City have forged a history greater than any other and are still challenging for silverware. Equipped with flat cap & thermos (or futuristic equivalents) firing off anecdotes of where it all went wrong. It wasn't so long ago that people on here were claiming City would never win the title before their rich owners 'got bored'. Waxing lyrical how Man Utd did it the 'correct' way that we should follow, by 'blooding their youth' which in reality is defined as Beckham, Scholes & Giggs, the rest they bought. In fact their team now is still more expensive than City's and some were bought a while back, without inflation. This didn't start with Man City, in fact they are rather a comfort (to me at least) that the mould can actually be broken, although that is looking less likely to ever happen again with the Financial 'Fair' Player rules which people, again, think will be the bane of City(noticing a trend here?) when in fact all that will be accomplished in essence, is solidifying the assets already in place i.e.. the top 4/5. It's little wonder the top clubs have been so agreeable about it and somehow the smaller clubs (and the average ignoramus) have been fooled into thinking it's somehow a good thing for football? I despair. Then there are the people, who quite remarkably, would be FOR a 'Super League' to get rid of those pagan assholes so we can go back to 1960! (where curiously, players still left for bigger clubs with more money). There's just one minor drawback, money would dry up and nobody would watch it anymore. Moreover any, however fanciful and unlikely, aspirations and dreams that still remain for smaller clubs breaking into the top flight would be masticated, since they will never achieve 'top flight' in effect and neither would we. Probably THE worst thing that could happen and it's unfathomable that some claim this wouldn't be catastrophic, much less want it to happen. The opinion that really riles me above all others though, is this notion of 'the right way' to do things. The CORRECT way as if this is kind of medical procedure with one definitive approach. It's ok for us to take some players off teams less fortunate than our own, but when city takes a player off us it's outrageous, money has ruined everything! Get a hold of yourselves. Should we just block transfers altogether? Be able to field just those from Birmingham and play County football instead and pull in some astronomical cricket crowds perhaps. This has been going on for half a century, and it's all too easy to blame 'Sky's Football'. It's a popular sport yet some want to make it less popular to satisfy their demands. Yes it's about money, yes i'd take any properly reviewed bid by a multi-billionaire in a heartbeat. Any who wouldn't take an opportunity like that with open arms because of their skewed sense of morality (in the entertainment industry) should stop following Villa and football as a whole rather than just threaten to do so. The bubble isn't bursting in our lifetimes so go and watch Tom Daley jump off a board instead or something. I'd much rather our league stayed how it is to be honest, it's a good thing and we should all learn to appreciate it before people with money start looking elsewhere (which has begun already) because of our nonsensical stipulations and high taxes. I would rather the Russian League wasn't the 'one to watch' thank you very much. We compete in the best league in the world however cliche it is to say, it's the truth. I still enjoy watching the villa compete in it no matter how futile some would consider it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I think we're getting back to blind love then for a football club... and sod the rest. Some want to do a Citeh, some don't... Nothing more to be said, only a finger wagging in your direction. Lockett... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Read this thread regularly, thought about commenting, and am glad I hadn't really put my 2p in. I turned up on Saturday and saw our previously second choice keeper pull of a few blinding saves and cause the whole Holte End to chant his name even when he just caught a cross, , a previously "league one quality" right back chest the ball down for a phenomenal volley into the back of the net, a raw 21-year old Belgian get heavily involved up front and chase down an errant back pass for a goal (who last did that kinda thing for Villa?), a little-known Australian who's plied his trade in the Dutch league run himself into oblivion for 70-odd minutes chasing down every loose ball and pushing us forward into attacking positions, a £3m central defender get promoted to team captain in his 4th Premiership match and show everyone how much it meant to both him and the team by leading by example, and more than anything else I watched a Villa team being praised, guided, supported, comforted, and challenged by a manager who has put faith in players that other clubs might have shied away from and watch it bring an enthusiasm back to Villa Park's crowd that's been sorely missing for a good while. Man City's unlimited millions and signing players on £200,000 a week? **** 'em. Nice if they can do it - but what I got from watching my team at the weekend was a massive smile, a spring in my step, and a realisation that Paul Lambert's vision is probably going to make watching Villa an exciting roller-coaster of a ride that could take us absolutely anywhere. Not blind love, maybe blinkered at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Read this thread regularly, thought about commenting, and am glad I hadn't really put my 2p in. I turned up on Saturday and saw our previously second choice keeper pull of a few blinding saves and cause the whole Holte End to chant his name even when he just caught a cross, , a previously "league one quality" right back chest the ball down for a phenomenal volley into the back of the net, a raw 21-year old Belgian get heavily involved up front and chase down an errant back pass for a goal (who last did that kinda thing for Villa?), a little-known Australian who's plied his trade in the Dutch league run himself into oblivion for 70-odd minutes chasing down every loose ball and pushing us forward into attacking positions, a £3m central defender get promoted to team captain in his 4th Premiership match and show everyone how much it meant to both him and the team by leading by example, and more than anything else I watched a Villa team being praised, guided, supported, comforted, and challenged by a manager who has put faith in players that other clubs might have shied away from and watch it bring an enthusiasm back to Villa Park's crowd that's been sorely missing for a good while. Man City's unlimited millions and signing players on £200,000 a week? **** 'em. Nice if they can do it - but what I got from watching my team at the weekend was a massive smile, a spring in my step, and a realisation that Paul Lambert's vision is probably going to make watching Villa an exciting roller-coaster of a ride that could take us absolutely anywhere. Not blind love, maybe blinkered at worst. Great post mate, well written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 but what I got from watching my team at the weekend was a massive smile, Do you not think city fans smiled when they won the league? Do you not think any of them are smiling drinking in madrid about to watch their team take on real madrid in the champions league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 but what I got from watching my team at the weekend was a massive smile, Do you not think city fans smiled when they won the league? Do you not think any of them are smiling drinking in madrid about to watch their team take on real madrid in the champions league? You've completely missed his point :bonk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 but what I got from watching my team at the weekend was a massive smile, Do you not think city fans smiled when they won the league? Do you not think any of them are smiling drinking in madrid about to watch their team take on real madrid in the champions league? So I can't get a feel good factor from my own team because another team is better off? I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 but what I got from watching my team at the weekend was a massive smile, Do you not think city fans smiled when they won the league? Do you not think any of them are smiling drinking in madrid about to watch their team take on real madrid in the champions league? So I can't get a feel good factor from my own team because another team is better off? I see. Of course you can. Would you not be happy in either of the situations i said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Read this thread regularly, thought about commenting, and am glad I hadn't really put my 2p in. I turned up on Saturday and saw our previously second choice keeper pull of a few blinding saves and cause the whole Holte End to chant his name even when he just caught a cross, , a previously "league one quality" right back chest the ball down for a phenomenal volley into the back of the net, a raw 21-year old Belgian get heavily involved up front and chase down an errant back pass for a goal (who last did that kinda thing for Villa?), a little-known Australian who's plied his trade in the Dutch league run himself into oblivion for 70-odd minutes chasing down every loose ball and pushing us forward into attacking positions, a £3m central defender get promoted to team captain in his 4th Premiership match and show everyone how much it meant to both him and the team by leading by example, and more than anything else I watched a Villa team being praised, guided, supported, comforted, and challenged by a manager who has put faith in players that other clubs might have shied away from and watch it bring an enthusiasm back to Villa Park's crowd that's been sorely missing for a good while. Man City's unlimited millions and signing players on £200,000 a week? **** 'em. Nice if they can do it - but what I got from watching my team at the weekend was a massive smile, a spring in my step, and a realisation that Paul Lambert's vision is probably going to make watching Villa an exciting roller-coaster of a ride that could take us absolutely anywhere. Not blind love, maybe blinkered at worst. top post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 "necessity is the mother of invention" you do what you have to do. If we had the money Man city have we would do what they do, but we ain't, so we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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