Arj Guy Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I am done with match of the day. The only thing said about us is 'worrying times for Villa'. 1 **** sentence. Yet Newcastle get a big speech about a losing mentality at the club. It's an absolute joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 because their main pundit is a Newcastle legend who has a grudge against the owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 because their main pundit is a Newcastle legend who has a grudge against the ownerI know but that shouldn't mean that Newcastle recieve far more attention than most clubs on Motd. We probably have the least words spoken of us on Motd out of any other club, despite being a complete mess at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Football ramble going twice weekly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Merson on soccer saturday saying sacking Sherwood would be ridiculous. He really doesn't have a clue. Do you watch us week in week out? No. So shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Merson tipped us for relegation and he got mocked on here saying it was most difficult job in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Merson on soccer saturday saying sacking Sherwood would be ridiculous. He really doesn't have a clue. Do you watch us week in week out? No. So shut upchanges his opinion like the wind changes directionthe start of the season he said we would struggle (duh), in his pre Leicester game prediction he said villa would finish the highest of the midlands clubs, now were definitely getting relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Yes I don't pay much attention to Merson. He is harmless enough and I do know he has a real soft spot for us....but honestly, he is up their with Savage with going from one extreme to the next with his opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I really really really really really really really really really really hate Niall Quinn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 From the little I caught on match of the day last night it appears that the Sherwood defence team are already out (Danny Murphy) by putting most of the blame on the players and questioning who actually made the signings. I guess we're going to have to put up with this for the next couple of weeks. However for me, this underscores the problem we have in this country when it comes to punditry. Basically, no one wants to either (a) criticise their own friends on British TV, or (b) feel like they may damage relations between their employers and football clubs. It leads to very sub par and un-insightful punditry all round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted October 25, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 25, 2015 This is what Danny Murphy said today after the sacking-"We don't know exactly what's gone on with the recruitment of the players that have come in - ultimately too many of them haven't done well enough and are not good enough. Like all managers, he's responsible for that."So a bit of a dig at the players, I think that's to be expected. But the overall impression I got was he feels the buck stops with Sherwood.I like Murphy, the beeb's best pundit by a considerable margin. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Most of the retired players will defend retired player who's gone into management/coaching because they are "one of them" and feel kinship with them. It's only "natural" thing to do and I wouldn't expect anything else and I'm pleasantly surprised that Murphy is saying otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The football ramble and Luke in particular are going to have a field day over sherwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 26, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 26, 2015 As they should.It was an incredible prediction to be fair to Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted October 26, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 26, 2015 Bloody BBC website. "Tim Sherwood: Was Aston Villa sacking deserved?"10 defeats out of the past 12 league matches. Yes, it was deserved. I'd love to know how many games he had to lose before they decided his media persona was outweighed by performance.I also like how there's this constant view of "well, this is what happens when you sell your best players in Benteke, Delph and Cleverly", as if we made the silly decision to off load them. Whenever they mention Vlaar as well, they seem to think we lost the World Cup Vlaar rather than a player who was laughably injury prone and made some costly errors in his final year (when he did play).They seem to champion the fact Sherwood wanted more premier league experience in the squad but ignore his own limited time of management in this division or any other. Oh and Lescott wasn't a free transfer. Idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dudevillaisnice Posted October 26, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Sorry if this has been posted but this is spot on and it's not just the media with thoughts like this either it seems.. And so another Proper Football Man bites the dust, as Tim Sherwood walks away from Aston Villa and back into a 1970s episode of the Sweeney involving a stolen Ford Capri, smoking in bed and a fight in an abandoned warehouse full of empty cardboard boxes.Timothy was the original inspiration for my PFM idea, back when Jamie Redknapp was pushing him on live TV to get the Spurs job. We were invited to believe Timbo was deserving of that gig because he was a “proper football man” as though we would all know what that meant, and as though this in itself was an all-encompassing qualification for one of football’s big jobs.Since then, I’ve worked PFM (via the weekly Footy on TV column) into a whole concept which embraces, not just football, but everything else about life. Fiercely anti-intellectual, it is slightly xenophobic, a little paranoid it is being done down, it over-rates itself, it can be a bit nasty and it laughs over-loudly in the face of anything, or anyone, sensitive or nuanced. And that’s just for starters.Sherwood is great fun for the Premier League soap opera, but we shouldn’t weep for him too long because he will be coming to a sofa on our TV very soon as a pundit, I’m sure. He will do his geezer gurn for the camera, squeeze a leg and be vaunted as a prince amongst men who was done down by a foreign owner, rubbish foreign players and faceless men who bought all them players he didn’t want. And he’ll also, according to the Birmingham Mail, trouser £2 million as pay-off. That is money for nothing, even if it is not chicks for free…though, for all I know, it may well be that too. Yet you can be sure that he will be painted as a victim in some quarters and talked of, fundamentally incorrectly, on every level, as ‘a good young English manager’.And many of us will look on, slack-jawed in disbelief. Both self-referential and self-pitying (he claimed he was making himself ill in order to manage Villa) he gives the press ‘boys’ some good quotes. A lot of them like him and looking like you’ve woken up in a shopping trolley after night with Reidy on the shoe polish, turps and Brut 33 smoothies, makes for good press photos.But let’s be honest. Tim isn’t any good, except as a comedy character. Let’s get this right, if Tim was foreign, he’d get kicked from pillar to post by the English media as a ridiculously under-qualified man who made a fool of himself on a weekly basis. I mean, they do that to Manuel Pellegrini and he’s actually won things and is top of the league.Yet the PFM paranoia that the British manager is being discriminated against goes on, completely against the facts, facts which we highlighted here on the site last week. The British manager is not being discriminated against. He has had and he continues to have, lots of opportunities at all levels, high and low and everywhere in between. The leagues are stuffed full of British managers.For some reason, by and large, the punditocracy can rarely bring itself, except in extremis, to say a British manager is doing a poor job. Those who are part of the PFM group-think, prefer a ceaseless pretence that bad results are due to the foreign owner, the foreign players, the player recruitment committee, or basically anyone who isn’t the manager.Rarely a week goes by without some august British ex-player or manager bemoaning the lot of the indigenous manager. In their universe, the honest Brit is being elbowed out of management by the man who the owners see as a sexy foreign. That word, ‘sexy’ is actually used, perhaps revealing more of what the speaker thinks, than those they are critiquing. Clubs are forever, in that awful Glenn Hoddle phrase ‘going foreign’, as though foreign is all the same thing. Everything not British is essentially interchangeable to the PFM.It’s a bizarre hypnosis, and the people who promote and publish this guff really need to take a hard look at themselves. Weirdly, it isn’t just one or two oddballs, it is probably the majority of British media at one time or another, so it must be judged as playing to the masses.Even this weekend, if you watched Sunday Supplement you’d have seen John Richardson (Ricco, to ‘the boys’) going on about how ridiculous it was that Tim was under pressure and that he hadn’t even bought any of the rubbish players. Other less blinkered contributors pointed out that there’s no excusing losing so many games and, oh, he had almost certainly wanted quite a lot of the summer signings, especially the English ones. You know, those English ones who are also playing rubbish under Sherwood. He didn’t seem convinced.It seems as though there is a strain of opinion which wants to always excuse the sh*t Brit and always sees the non-British involvement in our football as some sort of invasion or denial of their human rights. While there’s obviously an audience for this xenophobic garbage, it’s time that they were held to account for this total nonsense.I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking of football as a global culture, largely because it is. Thus it is a many-hued palette from which to paint. It matters not the birthplace of the participants, only what they bring to our enjoyment. Right?No. not right. The wide xenophobic streak which runs through our culture can barely contain itself in seeing discrimination at every turn and it reacts very negatively when this is pointed out to them, perhaps by saying how much they admire at least one foreign manager or player. Yeah, Bergkamp, he was good.It needs saying loud and proud that many of us don’t care about nationality of player, nor of managers, not because we’re all frilly-pantied liberal bed wetters, but because we gain nothing by being like that. We don’t think Brits ‘deserve more time’ than a foreign, any more than we think the term ‘good young English manager’ should be applied to anyone who is already 46. We look first at what the man brings, not where he’s from. We’re not bothered if our clubs are managed by someone who, in a classic PFM term, ‘knows the club, inside out’ because we know those are meaningless words which bear no scrutiny, but which are trotted as though it is insider-only wisdom.Sherwood did a poor job, not because he’s British, not because of foreign owners, not because of foreign players, but primarily because he’s Sherwood, and, let us never forget, Sherwood is a proper football man.John Nicholson Spot on Edited October 26, 2015 by dudevillaisnice 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Good article from Nicco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 It appears that the narrow minded football punditry world in England is suffering from a case of groupthink. Sherwood is a ambitious English manager who performed a miracle keeping us up, only for all of his best players to leave and denied to buy the 'right' players. Villa only spent 5 million so they deserve to be 20th,.Right let's clear this horses**t up. Net spend isn't a fair account of transfer policy. We spent the best part of 50 million strengthening the squad. Virtually every club is in risk of the top players getting poached by the richer clubs. This what happens at Southampton but they still seem to do okay. Vlaar was poor last year, Cleverley and Benteke only got good in the last third of the season and Delph is quite frankly replaceable. I would not right off our summer signings. Why Phil McNulty thinks Jordan Veretout is 'not fit for premier league purpose' after 5 starts is a mystery to me. Of course the 3 games we have won, he has started every time. I am sure Phil researched that stat. Then again as it does not involve Liverpool, then probably not. Most of them have promise and I would say it was down to more poor management than ability of the players of why we are 20th with 10 games played. Hutton as a wing back? Fine. Bacuna as a central midfielder? Makes total sense. Buy a big target man and don't play out and out wingers to give him supply? Yep that was our Tim,No club just relies on the manager getting the players in. Football is a massive, massive business now and all clubs have scouting networks and often DOF's. This is not unsual. The manager's role is to be a say in transfer matters but more importantly the day to day running of the team. Like you know fitness, conditioning, tactics, morale. Which Sherwood failed on in virtually every aspect by the end. We always seemed knackered by the end of matches and how many goals have we let in the last 5-10 minutes this season?Most of the media talk cliched garbage and it's hurting my ears and eyes.Rant over. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowlersrs Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Much has been made of the merry go round at our club in the media, we all know that, we know what's been said about the upper echelons of the club from various sources.Now stan collymore has been one of the stand out media men who has openly condemned how the club is being run, what I want to know is, is stan putting his career infront of our club? Is he right? Is he wrong? He's very passionate about what's going on, in fact I'd go as far as saying there is a media circus being sturred up right now, it makes for great listening which I understand is what talk sport is all about. Where do his comments sit with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 He is no different to a fan on here talking about the club so I don't take any more or less notice of what he says that any of you lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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