GarethRDR Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Some shit sticks, no matter how hard you scrape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Some shit sticks, no matter how hard you scrape. We need Lambert to be Cillit Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronk-villa Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I have a sneaking suspicion that Warnock will be back in the fold at some point....he's like a bad smell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronk-villa Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 actually....it is interesting how neither Hutton or warnock have complained about being made to train with the kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2012 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2012 actually....it is interesting how neither Hutton or warnock have complained about being made to train with the kids It's either because they are keeping their heads below the parapet for now or, they genuinely don't give a shit. It is clear that both were told they had no future at the club, it is also clear that they had no desire to reduce their wages in order to get a move to club that would pay them and play them. Money wins out every time with most modern footballers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyHowell Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Nobody wants them and we know why. Why should they give up lucrative contracts? They will go at some point I suppose if some club gets desperate but the future for Hutton I imagine would involve a massive pay cut and probably a move North of the border or to a mid table Championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereford-Villan Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Who is the secret footballer then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturdaygig Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 According to the book, the club that want to sell a player that has not asked for a transfer are obliged to pay the remainder of the contracted wage!! I'm amazed that you're surprised by that. Its what a contract is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 But it's all up for negotiation as the extract makes clear and gives an illustration of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 It is clear that both were told they had no future at the club, it is also clear that they had no desire to reduce their wages in order to get a move to club that would pay them and play them. Money wins out every time with most modern footballers or maybe its clear they were so bad that no other team would try take them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I sometimes wonder if we are creative enough with these players. If Warnock is on £40k, say, is it not better to have someone paying £10k-£15k of that £40k rather than having him train with our kids and we pay it all for zero benefit and some disruption. Ditto Hutton, although as his contract is longer it might make sense not to let him out so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstervilla Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I thought we should have been talking with Swansea about Warnock, they need a Left back at the moment. Surely we could come to some sort of arrangement where we pay him off and make him a free agent. In turn Swansea then sign him, and make some type of creative payment to reimburse us at a later stage or in another way, to hide the transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I sometimes wonder if we are creative enough with these players. If Warnock is on £40k, say, is it not better to have someone paying £10k-£15k of that £40k rather than having him train with our kids and we pay it all for zero benefit and some disruption. Ditto Hutton, although as his contract is longer it might make sense not to let him out so easily.I agree with this very much. It's disappointing that Lambert has taken the same failed approach as Houllier did (consigning unwanted players to the reserves squad but not doing anything to shift them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 How can we even negotiate on paying percentages with they're wages, When we've had zero enquiries for them. Lambert was asked several times throughout the month, and confirmed he'd had no interest. Banish both of them, both are complete liabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 But it depends if we were offering clubs terms of the sort suggested by Barry's Boots. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Your missing the point, we had nobody enquire about them. Not a single club. Clubs have known the situation they were both in for sometime. We managed to offload a similarly unwanted player in Makoun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Well, I think really you're (NB correct grammar) missing the point. It seems Makoun wanted to leave Villa with every fibre of his being, so is a totally different case. But I think we've reached the "agree to disagree" stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I sometimes wonder if we are creative enough with these players. If Warnock is on £40k, say, is it not better to have someone paying £10k-£15k of that £40k rather than having him train with our kids and we pay it all for zero benefit and some disruption. Ditto Hutton, although as his contract is longer it might make sense not to let him out so easily.I agree with this very much. It's disappointing that Lambert has taken the same failed approach as Houllier did (consigning unwanted players to the reserves squad but not doing anything to shift them).How do you know Lambert hasn't tried to shift them? Not so sure it's a failed approach either. Both of them are shit and not good enough to be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Do people think they'll never play for us again no matter how long they stay with us for? Where do you think they would be in the pecking order in their natural positions if we got injuries? Because we still only have two other natural left backs (Bennett and Stevens) and two natural right backs (Lowton and Lichaj) or am I missing people? We've then got Herd, Delph and Baker who've all been played as full-backs Would you put Hutton and Warnock third in their respective positions or even behind the stand-ins? I know Lambert has made it clear they're not part of his plans but we still have them so are still paying them. I think his first priority in January will be to get rid of them. But, like others have said, no one seems to want them. Although, a team could find themselves in a desperate position in January and take them on, even if it's for six months on loan. I wonder if there'd be any sense in just paying off their contracts? That may be a fair whack with Hutton though. If McLeish has a job in January, Hutton will go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 It's a "failed" approach because banning them from the first team while paying them first team salaries is a total waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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