Richard Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Been asked in a few other threads but I'll ask again. Why 'on paper' are Sanchez and Cleverley better than Westwood? Because they are new and exciting. personally i think there's room in our midfield formation for all three of them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Been asked in a few other threads but I'll ask again. Why 'on paper' are Sanchez and Cleverley better than Westwood? Because they are new and exciting. personally i think there's room in our midfield formation for all three of them I've seen Cleverley play much, much better than Westwood. Now, I accept that may be because he was surrounded by better players, but I also think the reason that he was at Manchester United in the first place and played a big part in their success for a time is that he's a very good player. As I said before though, it's up to him, and the rest of the midfield including Westwood, to prove that they're better than everybody else and deserve to stay in the team. It's not a bad position for us to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 "You're" Edited just for you. Nice that you ignored the rest of the comment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 "You're" Edited just for you. Nice that you ignored the rest of the comment though. I didn't think it was worth replying to, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Its funny isn't it, all these professionals and ex-professionals, pundits and commentators all seem to think he's pretty good Then there's a section of keyboard warrior fans who think otherwise It's hard to know where to start with just how utterly moronic that comment is. So people aren't allowed an opinion unless they're a professional, ex-professional, pundit or commentator? Who are all of these people who all reckon he's pretty good anyway? And the keyboard warrior fans, are they the same ones who said that Alan Hutton deserved a chance over the last two years? In contradiction to the professional club owner and manager who bombed him out unfairly as it happens? Bore off Risso, where have I said people aren't entitled to an opinion? I've merely said that within the realms of people associated with the game he's viewed as being a good player whilst a section of villa fans think otherwise. Kind of like investing more faith in the film reviews of a 45 year old unemployed nerd over Martin scorsese So you actually don't get it at all. Take Tonev, Lambert thought he'd be a success in the Premier League; anybody with half a brain could see he was dire. The end result, off he goes after one failed season. Oh right, sorry yes with that one example you have proved yourself to be correct absolute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 There are no absolutes, that's the point you seem to be having trouble grasping. In your world, the fact that some unnamed pundits, commentators and players think that Westwood is very good means that he is, whereas any fan who doesn't is a "keyboard warrior". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Its funny isn't it, all these professionals and ex-professionals, pundits and commentators all seem to think he's pretty good Then there's a section of keyboard warrior fans who think otherwise It's hard to know where to start with just how utterly moronic that comment is. So people aren't allowed an opinion unless they're a professional, ex-professional, pundit or commentator? Who are all of these people who all reckon he's pretty good anyway? And the keyboard warrior fans, are they the same ones who said that Alan Hutton deserved a chance over the last two years? In contradiction to the professional club owner and manager who bombed him out unfairly as it happens? Bore off Risso, where have I said people aren't entitled to an opinion? I've merely said that within the realms of people associated with the game he's viewed as being a good player whilst a section of villa fans think otherwise. Kind of like investing more faith in the film reviews of a 45 year old unemployed nerd over Martin scorsese So you actually don't get it at all. Take Tonev, Lambert thought he'd be a success in the Premier League; anybody with half a brain could see he was dire. The end result, off he goes after one failed season. Oh right, sorry yes with that one example you have proved yourself to be correct absolute. Yes a manager purchases a player who he thinks will be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CVByrne Posted September 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Look Lambert has 100% of my trust in his signings. For that reason I fully expect Cleverly to be a success here. Looks at his signings I'd chalk down as success the following signings so based on just the first 3 games too. Guzan, Vlaar, Benteke, Westwood, Senderos, Cissokho, Richardson The following have been decent based on what we've seen and promise so far etc.. Lowton, Okore, Bacuna, KEA, Kozak Failures to differing degrees Tonev, Helenius, Luna, Sylla, Bennett And unrated / neutral. Sanchez, Cleverly, Cole, Bowery So in the failure column we've £11 mil of transfer spending. That's before we factor in any potential recoup of money from possible sale of some of those players next summer. Benteke alone is worth triple what we paid for him. Which will be double the failed signings cost to us. Putting the failures into context Lambert was in such a tough position, he couldn't afford a free hand at signings last summer, he wasn't allowed to offer competitive wages which means even those failures have to be qualified. I think Westwood has been a great signing for us given what he cost and the fact he came from Crewe. Up there with Benteke and Vlaar. What I'm trying to get at here is, I park my preconceptions and trust Lambert's judgement until I have evidence of the players playing in the Villa shirt. Edited September 8, 2014 by CVByrne 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Ok, it's a bit too early to rate any of the new players, but apart from that I totally agree with you, CV. And, as you mean from what we've seen, I totally agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismail-villa Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Ok, it's a bit too early to rate any of the new players, but apart from that I totally agree with you, CV. And, as you mean from what we've seen, I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you totally agreeing with CV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 If we wanted to I think we could get 7/8m for Westwood. Come the end of the season and if he keeps up the way he is playing, who knows? What do others value him at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I'd be surprised if we got that much for him. Around £4 million would be my guess. Couldn't see many top half teams going for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I'd be surprised if we got that much for him. Around £4 million would be my guess. Couldn't see many top half teams going for him. Jake Livermore cost Hull £8million amd yet you think Westwood would only fetch half of that? Bizarre 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2014 I'd be surprised if we got that much for him. Around £4 million would be my guess. Couldn't see many top half teams going for him. Jake Livermore cost Hull £8million amd yet you think Westwood would only fetch half of that? Bizarre Unfortunately though we aren't quite as good as Spurs at selling players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I'd be surprised if we got that much for him. Around £4 million would be my guess. Couldn't see many top half teams going for him.Jake Livermore cost Hull £8million amd yet you think Westwood would only fetch half of that? Bizarre Only bizarre if you've decided Jake Livermore to hull is the benchmark to judge all transfers. I find that to be quite bizarre. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I'd be surprised if we got that much for him. Around £4 million would be my guess. Couldn't see many top half teams going for him.Jake Livermore cost Hull £8million amd yet you think Westwood would only fetch half of that? Bizarre Only bizarre if you've decided Jake Livermore to hull is the benchmark to judge all transfers. I find that to be quite bizarre. Fair point but I'm using young English players who are the same age. Therefore a comparison can be made surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 9, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2014 Depends. If we're flogging him, then the £4m estimate isn't a bad shout. If we want to hold onto him and he's got a reasonable amount left on his contract, then I see no reason why we shouldn't be demanding £8m odd for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Why would we sell him? He won't lose his place to Sanchez I bet. He's playing too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I also agree with the 4 mil or so valuation, but these things could change quickly. Only last summer most VTers would value Lowton quite highly and now Villa couldn't even flog him for free ( probably ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 £4m for Westwood? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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