villa4europe Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Other teams in the league adapted it and utilised it with their increased budgets so everything returned to how it was I'm sure I read an article that said comoli is a huge fan of it and Liverpool have 3 (article also said the Yankees have 21) IMO it won't work in football because of the variance between leagues / countries / playing styles, Billy Beene was looking at who gets the most 1st bases in a game that forgive my ignorance everyone plays the same way, Joe Allen got bought by Liverpool for his high pass % if he'd played for us last season would he be any worse a player but would his % have been as high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 How reliable/comprehensive are football stats as you go down through the leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Joe Allen got bought by Liverpool for his high pass % if he'd played for us last season would he be any worse a player but would his % have been as high? You'd assume the system good enough to get round that. If he was a good passer a passing % would be relatively high in a squad/for his age/position etc etc. I kind of agree with you though, stats are important, but not more important than old fashioned watching a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Yep IMO stats are useful when you can determine which ones aren't controlled by the team / league they play in Bowery for example I think 2 stats are useful - work rate and % of shots on target Everything else such as positioning, passing, headers won, even goals scored can be taken with a pinch of salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 8, 2012 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2012 How on earth is work rate a stat? It's fairly unquantifiable I'd have thought And how can goals scored be taken with a pinch of salt? It is THE stat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Patrick Riley's original role with the club was as our performance analyst I think - he measured things like the ground covered by players, their top speeds, heart rates, times spent at a sprinting speed during games, degradation of effort over ninety minutes, all of that sort of stuff and provided info to managers - so he's definitely someone who uses stats to monitor players, maybe there's something in the idea that he's added some judgement on playing ability to the statistical analysis. I'd doubt it'd be just that on its own though. If he can do what he did for the Lakers, Knicks & Heat I'm all in favour of giving him a big role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 While stats are without doubt used to evauluate a teams players, the opposition and potential players. Although there is so many variables with football compared to Baseball, which although is a team sport is very individually skilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 How on earth is work rate a stat? It's fairly unquantifiable I'd have thought And how can goals scored be taken with a pinch of salt? It is THE stat Echo this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Has this lad had any sort of run out with the stiffs yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Himself Gabby and the lad from crewe are playing vs. Southampton in the U21s today CI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Ah nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 I saw the film and know they had an unbeaten spell but did the 'moneyball' approach lead to actually winning something? Has the guy who started it been able to replicate it at other clubs? Not really a baseball fan so have limited knowledge. I know this approach sounds great but has it actually worked? not for the As, but the Red Sox used it successfully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Anyone see the reserves v Southampton? Club tweets suggested he was lively and could have scored. But then they would say that. And how about Clint Westwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Anyone see the reserves v Southampton? Club tweets suggested he was lively and could have scored. But then they would say that. And how about Clint Westwood? I did. Poor man's John Caarew IMO.... Jack set up two good chances for him and he also hit the bar. Still dont seem a bad signing for the money paid. Just not sure at this age that he'll make it big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Anyone see the reserves v Southampton? Club tweets suggested he was lively and could have scored. But then they would say that. And how about Clint Westwood? I did. Poor man's John Caarew IMO.... Jack set up two good chances for him and he also hit the bar. Still dont seem a bad signing for the money paid. Just not sure at this age that he'll make it big time. How 'bout Westwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 2-2 draw then. From Pravda - The imposing figure of Bowery caused plenty of problems for the Southampton defence. He was almost rewarded with a debut goal, only to see headers saved, cleared off the line and come back off the bar in quick succession. As well as being strong and tidy with his hold-up play, Bowery also displayed impressive acceleration when turning away from defenders. But Daniel Devine was the standout figure in the Saints clash. The Irish central defender marshalled the back four impressively and also scored both of Villa's goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I saw the film and know they had an unbeaten spell but did the 'moneyball' approach lead to actually winning something? Has the guy who started it been able to replicate it at other clubs? Not really a baseball fan so have limited knowledge. I know this approach sounds great but has it actually worked? not for the As, but the Red Sox used it successfully Think all of the baseball teams use this approach now. Sabermetrics it's called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.Robinson Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Billy Beane didn't start the moneyball approach. The film is quite deceptive in this regard. The A's were using sabermetrics long before he arrived as their GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Culverhouse: I wanted you to see these player evaluations that you asked me to do. Lambert I asked you to do three. Culverhouse: Yeah. Lambert To evaluate three players. Culverhouse:: Yeah. Lambert How many you'd do? Culverhouse:: Forty-seven. Lambert Okay. Culverhouse: Actually, fifty-one. I don't know why I lied just then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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