CI Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 The children weren't shot, merely battered to within an inch of life. I cannot comprehend how another human being can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 Clearly an execution and they didn't want any witness alive. The cyclist- wrong place wrong time. Perhaps. It was a very remote spot by all accounts, but it's quite possible that someone could have just happened by. I wonder what are the chances of such a stray passer-by being a nuclear scientist? Hmmmm, the ingredients are all there aren't they. Very easy to see this conspiracy having legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Just heard on the radio people killed by earthquakes in China America's destiny machine is working i see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The children weren't shot, merely battered to within an inch of life. I cannot comprehend how another human being can do that. The girl was shot in the shoulder....then battered to within an inch of her life. Professional "hit" if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Clearly an execution and they didn't want any witness alive. The cyclist- wrong place wrong time. Perhaps. It was a very remote spot by all accounts, but it's quite possible that someone could have just happened by. I wonder what are the chances of such a stray passer-by being a nuclear scientist? If that link is correct he's not exactly a nuclear scientist. He works for a metal working company that supply parts to reactors. It sounds like it is one of the bigger employers in the area as well. Why would he be out there on a bicycle at the same time as the English/Iraqi guy? If it was some sort of planned meeting that was crashed by assassins why bring you whole family including your mother in-law and small kids?? It could well be that internet imaginations are running away with themselves because the guy was born in Iraq and people get another chance to have a pop at Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Why do conspiricy theories always end up blaming the Jews? Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan Darioush Rezaeinejad Fereydoon Abbasi Majid Shahriari Masoud Alimohammadi All separate incidents. Assassinations or failed attempts, nuclear scientists killed by Mossad in the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 If that link is correct he's not exactly a nuclear scientist. He works for a metal working company that supply parts to reactors. Supplying parts to reactors is one way of putting it. Another way would be how the company describe their work: CEZUS, a proud member of AREVA, is a key component of the nuclear fuel cycle. Cezus is fully integrated in the manufacturing of Zirconium for complete mastering of the final product and performance. From ore sand to finished tubing, Integrated in the Fuel supply chain, R&D facility for material research and process modeling. CEZUS, the global leader on the zirconium market, produces zirconium alloy tubes, bars, and sheets for pressurized water reactors (PWRs) and boiling water reactors (BWRs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Why do conspiricy theories always end up blaming the Jews? Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan Darioush Rezaeinejad Fereydoon Abbasi Majid Shahriari Masoud Alimohammadi All separate incidents. Assassinations or failed attempts, nuclear scientists killed by Mossad in the last two years. These guys are/were all Iranian scientists working on the Iran nuclear programme. This guy doesn't fit anything like those profiles. Also, in those attacks the only guy killed was the target of the assassination, not their whole family. The profile isn't fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Why would he be out there on a bicycle at the same time as the English/Iraqi guy? If it was some sort of planned meeting that was crashed by assassins why bring you whole family including your mother in-law and small kids??Who knows. Perhaps he felt safer bringing them than leaving them - he had expressed concerns to a neighbour at home before he left, and may have felt at risk. If it was a planned meeting, and not just a coincidence, then presumably he felt it was going to be safe, or he wouldn't have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Why would he be out there on a bicycle at the same time as the English/Iraqi guy? If it was some sort of planned meeting that was crashed by assassins why bring you whole family including your mother in-law and small kids??Who knows. Perhaps he felt safer bringing them than leaving them - he had expressed concerns to a neighbour at home before he left, and may have felt at risk. If it was a planned meeting, and not just a coincidence, then presumably he felt it was going to be safe, or he wouldn't have gone. What were the concerns he had expressed to a neighbour? And if he was concerned why bring your 4 year old daughter? Why not leave her at the campite with your mother in-law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 in those attacks the only guy killed was the target of the assassination, not their whole family. These are bomb attacks in the street - they aren't at all fussed if others get killed. It's not that the family are targetted, but that if they're around, they get hit as well: Darioush was killed by motorcycle borne gunmen in July 2011, while waiting with his wife for their child outside a kindergarten. His wife was also wounded in the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 in those attacks the only guy killed was the target of the assassination, not their whole family. These are bomb attacks in the street - they aren't at all fussed if others get killed. It's not that the family are targetted, but that if they're around, they get hit as well: Darioush was killed by motorcycle borne gunmen in July 2011, while waiting with his wife for their child outside a kindergarten. His wife was also wounded in the attack. And yet in every case sited the only person killed was the target. They didn't pull over to beat up any 7 year old children, or deliberately execute other family members and witnesses’ standing by. This looks very different from a Mossad attack doesn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 And yet in every case sited the only person killed was the target. They didn't pull over to beat up any 7 year old children, or deliberately execute other family members and witnesses’ standing by. This looks very different from a Mossad attack doesn’t it. The intention seems to have been to kill the 7 year old, not beat her up; she was shot, and her skull was fractured. Not all Mossad attacks are the same, and not all fit the reputation for clinical efficiency which they like to cultivate - this one, for example. There's no certainty it was or wasn't Mossad. Another theory is that there was a family dispute about an inheritance - though it must be quite some inheritance to make it worth the cost of such a professional execution. I'll be interested to see if any more details emerge about the as yet unconfirmed story of Israeli attache picking up three passengers at the nearest airport last night, without leaving the runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ...another version it that it's not an inheritance, but the management of some funds in a tax haven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 So basically, no one has any idea yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I don't understand. If it was Mossad, the father would have to have been working for Iran. Is it being suggested that he was Iranian pretending to be Iraqi? Seems unlikely that an Iraqi would work for Iran (although all things are possible, obviously). And how certain is it that the first person on the scene was a British ex-serviceman? And what kind of ex-serviceman? And why would MI6 be protecting people working for Iran? And if MI6 was protecting them (or instead helping Mossad), why would they risk being exposed by being at the scene? Whatever the truth, I bet that right now somewhere there is a secret agent receiving a severe reprimand for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The guy was a director of a design agency working on aircraft components. According to his accountant, the last project he was working on was the design of the kitchens in the Airbus planes. Perhaps it was a hit squad sent by Boeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 So if he's Iraqi, what's the connection to Iran? And where do the RAF come in? (My emphasis) He was set up by Mi6 in 2007 in a front company called AMS1087 which did aircraft based photography. They were based at the Delta office park in Wiltshire which is built on part of the old ‘Turnstile’ nuclear Command and Control bunker and is still owned by the MoD. He was loaned RAF trainer aircraft at no cost to help him get established as well as pilots and because of these advantages his company originally thrived however once he started to visit Iran in late 2010 he lost a lot of (MoD supplied) private contracts and the business almost collapsed. It is interesting that they let him wander around France with no protection even though they knew he was an Israeli “sikul memukad” or high profile target. A deserted country road would have been ideal for the Israeli kill team sent after him. Looks like he either outlived his usefulness or went ‘rogue’ – Watching The cyclist who found the body was an RAF airman !!! 06.09.2012 13:48 What an amazing coincidence that the first person on the scene was a member of the RAF Regiment (the Air Force army branch) who just had to be passing on his bike !!! – Ian British Embassy sends twenty person team to crime scene 06.09.2012 14:05 In an unprecedented action the British Embassy in Paris has sent a twenty person team to the crime scene headed by Kara Owen the deputy British ambassador. According to local TV station ‘Demain’ people describe the British Embassy staff as being “military type”. There is developing a cover up of massive proportions to protect Israel. – Remember this day Looks like they were attempting to run 06.09.2012 14:27 The local police (before they were shut up) said that the family had multiple passports including British, Iraqi, Swedish and UAE. It seems they were travelling cross country perhaps back to Iraq where they would feel safe . From comments here. There are various mentions of the Indymedia site going down or redirecting to a dummy page in the last few hours. Pressure on the server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 There are various mentions of the Indymedia site going down or redirecting to a dummy page in the last few hours. Pressure on the server? I'll say. Thousands of conspiricy nuts all rushing to read these obscure sites all at once. It makes no sense for the first guy on the scene to announce to everyone that he is ex military if he is actually there as an MI6 agent. Surely those guys could think up a better cover than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 There are various mentions of the Indymedia site going down or redirecting to a dummy page in the last few hours. Pressure on the server? I'll say. Thousands of conspiricy nuts all rushing to read these obscure sites all at once. It makes no sense for the first guy on the scene to announce to everyone that he is ex military if he is actually there as an MI6 agent. Surely those guys could think up a better cover than that! Yes, that's right - you would expect them to have covered that up, if it was sinister. However, I'm left with the following remarkable coincidences. Man said to have connections with nuclear work, known to work in industry selling to the military among others, said to have been helped in establishing his business by free/cheap use of labour and equipment and offices by the RAF (why?), followed by contracts with the RAF, and believed to have recently started to visit Iran (unusually for an Iraqi?), is killed in what it seems everyone agrees is a professional operation. The first two people who randomly arrive on the scene (all accounts say the first cyclist "arrived on the scene", but there is no explanation of why they conclude he arrived at an incident in progress, rather than being there at the outset) are someone working in an industry providing essential supplies to nuclear plants, and a member of the RAF Regiment. The media have by one account been served with a D notice restricting what they can say, specifically including mention of Israeli involvement. The British Embassy are said to have sent 20 people to the scene, rather more than you might think are required to help the survivors and deal with what needs to be done. One explanation which might fit this mixture of facts, claims and suppositions, is that he has recently been involved in helping supply to Iran something which is of use to their nuclear production, that this was known both to UK and Israeli intelligence, that he was being closely watched, and that he was assassinated as have been others involved in the Iranian nuclear issue. Some might think that's not the most far-fetched conspiracy theory they've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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