praisedmambo Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Nowich are gonna smash Reading this weekend so that (imo) will be them brought out of it near enough. Reading could be a bit more solid looking with Adkins. Norwich's form is terrible, and they have to play us too, and if we beat them they would be right back in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 At least Lawrenson has predicted us to loose 3-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 19, 2013 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2013 Nowich are gonna smash Reading this weekend so that (imo) will be them brought out of it near enough.Reading could be a bit more solid looking with Adkins. Norwich's form is terrible, and they have to play us too, and if we beat them they would be right back in it. I'm with roonst. I can only see 3pts for Norwich A big day for Snodgrass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 At least Lawrenson has predicted us to lose 3-0. He also says that if we go down and keep our players, we'll come straight back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Just browsed The Stoke forum, the common consensus amongst them is that if they survive it will be at our expense. Let's hope candle wax face motivates his mercenaries tomorrow to dent their confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 since key players have been fit. Or since the manager decided to not play a stupid formation.Just browsed The Stoke forum, the common consensus amongst them is that if they survive it will be at our expense. Let's hope candle wax face motivates his mercenaries tomorrow to dent their confidence I fancy QPR to get something. Stoke just look awful at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 19, 2013 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2013 since key players have been fit.Or since the manager decided to not play a stupid formation.One is objective, one is subjective. And your subjective opinion might be ignoring the fact that with certain injuries, systems needed to be modified, meaning they weren't stupid at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 meaning they weren't stupid at the time Regardless of injuries, sticking with a formation that results in heavily losing games is a stupid decision in my book. Yes injuries dictate a change every so often but that was sticking with something that clearly wasn't working and resulted in some awful performances and results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Indeed. While the 3-5-2 is being looked at as a massive failure now, at the time it was a revelation. That is until it completely backfired against Chelsea. https://plus.google.com/106741222992400580002/posts/1gFn7DkHiBF was my take on it just after the Norwich game, before Liverpool away. Lambert can hardly be blamed for giving it another 2 games before changing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I too distinctly remember people being positive about the 352, myself included It got us a few good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 After losing 8-0 and 4-0 why would you stick with it? We then got out played by Wigan and lost 3-0 so what does he do? Starts the next game the same. Anyone who saw the Swansea game knows that game should have been over in the first 10 minutes. And after all these poor performances with 3 at the back we then line up like it against Newcastle. And surprise surprise a poor Newcastle team look like world beaters against us. Stupid decisions in my book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Indeed. While the 3-5-2 is being looked at as a massive failure now, at the time it was a revelation. That is until it completely backfired against Chelsea. https://plus.google.com/106741222992400580002/posts/1gFn7DkHiBF was my take on it just after the Norwich game, before Liverpool away. Lambert can hardly be blamed for giving it another 2 games before changing things. Hmmm. What do you make of of 3-5-2 now? 1-0 Reading, 1-1 QPR, and 0-0 Stoke is hardly tearing up the trees is it? So only the 4-1 Norwich stands out and the 3-1 against Liverpool. Arguably neither of those results had anything to do with the formation we were playing. In the Liverpool game they had 61-39 possession and 17 shots on target, so their failure to score more than 1 wasn't necessarily to do with our defensive solidity. The warning signs were there for an astute manager to spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think the same Richard, we just can't seem to escape the relegation zone... If we do something good, so will one of the other teams. To late for us to have found this form I think. Fingers crossed for a spot of luck! Eh? We're not in the relegation zone. I know we're not in it, but we can't escape from it properly where by, if we lose a game and the team below us wins we are back in it! We can't get clear of it, no breathing space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Indeed. While the 3-5-2 is being looked at as a massive failure now, at the time it was a revelation. That is until it completely backfired against Chelsea. https://plus.google.com/106741222992400580002/posts/1gFn7DkHiBF was my take on it just after the Norwich game, before Liverpool away. Lambert can hardly be blamed for giving it another 2 games before changing things. Hmmm. What do you make of of 3-5-2 now? 1-0 Reading, 1-1 QPR, and 0-0 Stoke is hardly tearing up the trees is it? So only the 4-1 Norwich stands out and the 3-1 against Liverpool. Arguably neither of those results had anything to do with the formation we were playing. In the Liverpool game they had 61-39 possession and 17 shots on target, so their failure to score more than 1 wasn't necessarily to do with our defensive solidity. The warning signs were there for an astute manager to spot. It was a necessity at the time to protect the defence. But its weaknesses were exposed by better teams. The 1-0 Reading, 1-1 QPR and 0-0 Stoke were great results in their own ways. We absolutely dominated Stoke that day, far more than last week, and QPR had and still have some good players and we were the apparent fall guys for King Harry to get his media-willed first win against. The 3 games that followed Liverpool were indeed very poor and thankfully an astute manager did spot the warning signs and acted on them. I'm glad you agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Got a bad feeling about tomorrow and how the table may be shaping come 5pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Got a bad feeling about tomorrow and how the table may be shaping come 5pm Do you ever not have a bad feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) meaning they weren't stupid at the time Regardless of injuries, sticking with a formation that results in heavily losing games is a stupid decision in my book. Yes injuries dictate a change every so often but that was sticking with something that clearly wasn't working and resulted in some awful performances and results. Note BJ10, the TEAM we put out in those games was weak in regards to personell, due to—funnily enough—injuries. As if it had nothing to do with anything. Also, funnily enough, we have been much better since those players have come back from injury, allowing us to change formation due to the players available. It is no coincidence that was the period we were relying on Herd, Lichaj, etc, with Lowton playing as a CB, where he is not the same standard as he is at RB. Edited April 19, 2013 by praisedmambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Indeed. While the 3-5-2 is being looked at as a massive failure now, at the time it was a revelation. That is until it completely backfired against Chelsea. https://plus.google.com/106741222992400580002/posts/1gFn7DkHiBF was my take on it just after the Norwich game, before Liverpool away. Lambert can hardly be blamed for giving it another 2 games before changing things. Hmmm. What do you make of of 3-5-2 now? 1-0 Reading, 1-1 QPR, and 0-0 Stoke is hardly tearing up the trees is it? So only the 4-1 Norwich stands out and the 3-1 against Liverpool. Arguably neither of those results had anything to do with the formation we were playing. In the Liverpool game they had 61-39 possession and 17 shots on target, so their failure to score more than 1 wasn't necessarily to do with our defensive solidity. The warning signs were there for an astute manager to spot. It was a necessity at the time to protect the defence. But its weaknesses were exposed by better teams. The 1-0 Reading, 1-1 QPR and 0-0 Stoke were great results in their own ways. We absolutely dominated Stoke that day, far more than last week, and QPR had and still have some good players and we were the apparent fall guys for King Harry to get his media-willed first win against. The 3 games that followed Liverpool were indeed very poor and thankfully an astute manager did spot the warning signs and acted on them. I'm glad you agree with that. Ah, the "astute" manager reacted to a 0-8 drubbing by playing the same system to deliver a 0-4 at home to Spurs and 0-3 to Wigan. Glad we have such a tactical genius at the helm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 When I think of Stoke for some reason the Spinal Tap quote of 'treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and bad poetry' keeps on popping into my head. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 It's always interesting to go back to pages 1, 2, 3 of a thread, but this one is just painful. Apart from the odd lunatic, relegation was always on the cards. FFS too many **** ups this year. 26 points dropped from winning positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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