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Just now, Stevo985 said:

Yeah I think Watford being absolutely shit has shot them up that table. Fair enough, 4th in the league is a big improvement

3rd on xGA, 1st on xG, 2nd on xPts.  Not sure where you're getting 4th from for anything.

 

As an aside, it seems that Chelsea are massively, massively overperforming in every single way.

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6 minutes ago, bobzy said:

3rd on xGA, 1st on xG, 2nd on xPts.  Not sure where you're getting 4th from for anything.

fbref.com is a more reliable source. They're 4th in the league for xGA there.

Attacking wise there's no argument. They're the best in the league.

 

6 minutes ago, bobzy said:

As an aside, it seems that Chelsea are massively, massively overperforming in every single way.

Yep 100%. Mendy has bailed them out a few times

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15 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

that's what i love about this xG stuff

when its inaccurate its because the team or the player is "under-performing" or "over-performing"

it couldn't possibly just be that its because its all a load of bollocks that in reality doesn't mean as much as people make it out to mean...

there's lies, damn lies and xG statistics

It doesn't mean anything, it's just an indicator based on averages.  It may be that Chelsea, for example, have a fantastic goalkeeper (as Stevo aludes) so they "would normally" concede more goals but Mendy is incredible so they don't.  Likewise, they may not have expected to score as many but Lukaku is a fantastic finisher so he scores goals that other players typically couldn't.

I don't like the xA stat if I'm honest - it doesn't add anything to the discussion.  But when you're talking about goal situations, it does offer a clear insight into what teams are doing well/not so well.

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I would say their problems are in midfield. Last night they had Henderson, Keira and Milner. That is fairly pourous.

Fabinho is their best defensively minded midfielder. Keita has no interest in defending and Henderson has dropped a level I think.

Wijnaldum was putting in a lot of work for them, now teams are getting through to the defence, which is looking dodgy but only because they are being put under so much pressure.

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7 hours ago, Mr_Dogg said:

I would say their problems are in midfield. Last night they had Henderson, Keira and Milner. That is fairly pourous.

Fabinho is their best defensively minded midfielder. Keita has no interest in defending and Henderson has dropped a level I think.

Wijnaldum was putting in a lot of work for them, now teams are getting through to the defence, which is looking dodgy but only because they are being put under so much pressure.

Yes Milner showed his age last night.  Liverpool are always going to be vunerable though with their attacking style of play. 

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11 minutes ago, sne said:

Bet they are ecstatic about the upcoming African Cup of Nations. Salah, Mané and Keita potentially missing up to 8 games :D 

Klopp will be preparing his rant as we speak 

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There's a massive, massive decision coming up for Liverpool.

Mo Salah.

He's currently the absolute darling of the Kop, he's just scored a hat trick at Old Trafford, he's lauded as the best player in the world, he's scored a hatful of goals for them and he's in brilliant form. He's a bona fide club legend.

He wants £500k a week for four years.

Now, to an extent, Liverpool can afford that (or near to it after some negotiation), but there are a couple of clear downsides.

  1. He'll be 30 in June, so you're not paying for his athletic prime - he'd be 33/34 when the contract ended. Now Mo Salah has at least a couple of years left in him, that's clear enough - but it'll be a lot of money for a 33 year old - and at the end of the contract, there will be very, very little sell on value. It's money you don't get back.
  2. Liverpool are on the edge of needing a rebuild - Mane is 30 in April, Van Djik is in his thirties now, Firmino is 30, Henderson is 31, Thiago is 30, Milner is 35, Matip is 30 - their first eleven is a match for anyone in the division, but they lack the depth of Chelsea and Man City and they have an increasing problem with players reaching the later years of their careers - they need to buy players, very good ones.
  3. The effect on other salaries - Keita, Mane, Firmino and Oxlade-Chamberlain all have contracts that expire in 20 months time along with Salah's - if they see him given half a million a week, how many are going to happily accept a pay cut? Mane is on around £100k a week, will he extend that knowing Salah is on five times as much? How much will players want to join Liverpool? If they go out looking for big names to replace the big names that are getting on in years - how much will those players ask for, knowing that Salah is getting £500k. It'll have an effect on their wage bill going forward.

So Liverpool have a big choice, if they extend with Salah and make him one of the worlds highest paid players, it'll affect their ability to rebuild successfully, they can expect their wage bill to increase significantly over the course of that contract as others demand more and they'll see the value of Salah decrease as age catches up with him - but, he might just be the best player in the world right now and their fan base would go absolutely bananas if they were to let him go.

Possibly the sensible route is to let him go and spend the money on reinvigorating the squad, but the public outcry would be extraordinary. Liverpool don't have the gas and oil money they're competing with, but they don't have a fanbase that's going to accept that as a reality. It's a real pickle for them.

Sign him up or not?

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1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said:

There's a massive, massive decision coming up for Liverpool.

Mo Salah.

He's currently the absolute darling of the Kop, he's just scored a hat trick at Old Trafford, he's lauded as the best player in the world, he's scored a hatful of goals for them and he's in brilliant form. He's a bona fide club legend.

He wants £500k a week for four years.

Now, to an extent, Liverpool can afford that (or near to it after some negotiation), but there are a couple of clear downsides.

  1. He'll be 30 in June, so you're not paying for his athletic prime - he'd be 33/34 when the contract ended. Now Mo Salah has at least a couple of years left in him, that's clear enough - but it'll be a lot of money for a 33 year old - and at the end of the contract, there will be very, very little sell on value. It's money you don't get back.
  2. Liverpool are on the edge of needing a rebuild - Mane is 30 in April, Van Djik is in his thirties now, Firmino is 30, Henderson is 31, Thiago is 30, Milner is 35, Matip is 30 - their first eleven is a match for anyone in the division, but they lack the depth of Chelsea and Man City and they have an increasing problem with players reaching the later years of their careers - they need to buy players, very good ones.
  3. The effect on other salaries - Keita, Mane, Firmino and Oxlade-Chamberlain all have contracts that expire in 20 months time along with Salah's - if they see him given half a million a week, how many are going to happily accept a pay cut? Mane is on around £100k a week, will he extend that knowing Salah is on five times as much? How much will players want to join Liverpool? If they go out looking for big names to replace the big names that are getting on in years - how much will those players ask for, knowing that Salah is getting £500k. It'll have an effect on their wage bill going forward.

So Liverpool have a big choice, if they extend with Salah and make him one of the worlds highest paid players, it'll affect their ability to rebuild successfully, they can expect their wage bill to increase significantly over the course of that contract as others demand more and they'll see the value of Salah decrease as age catches up with him - but, he might just be the best player in the world right now and their fan base would go absolutely bananas if they were to let him go.

Possibly the sensible route is to let him go and spend the money on reinvigorating the squad, but the public outcry would be extraordinary. Liverpool don't have the gas and oil money they're competing with, but they don't have a fanbase that's going to accept that as a reality. It's a real pickle for them.

Sign him up or not?

For me, not. Fans are fickle, sell him but continue to win and fans will soon be won around. 

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3 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

There's a massive, massive decision coming up for Liverpool.

Mo Salah.

He's currently the absolute darling of the Kop, he's just scored a hat trick at Old Trafford, he's lauded as the best player in the world, he's scored a hatful of goals for them and he's in brilliant form. He's a bona fide club legend.

He wants £500k a week for four years.

Now, to an extent, Liverpool can afford that (or near to it after some negotiation), but there are a couple of clear downsides.

  1. He'll be 30 in June, so you're not paying for his athletic prime - he'd be 33/34 when the contract ended. Now Mo Salah has at least a couple of years left in him, that's clear enough - but it'll be a lot of money for a 33 year old - and at the end of the contract, there will be very, very little sell on value. It's money you don't get back.
  2. Liverpool are on the edge of needing a rebuild - Mane is 30 in April, Van Djik is in his thirties now, Firmino is 30, Henderson is 31, Thiago is 30, Milner is 35, Matip is 30 - their first eleven is a match for anyone in the division, but they lack the depth of Chelsea and Man City and they have an increasing problem with players reaching the later years of their careers - they need to buy players, very good ones.
  3. The effect on other salaries - Keita, Mane, Firmino and Oxlade-Chamberlain all have contracts that expire in 20 months time along with Salah's - if they see him given half a million a week, how many are going to happily accept a pay cut? Mane is on around £100k a week, will he extend that knowing Salah is on five times as much? How much will players want to join Liverpool? If they go out looking for big names to replace the big names that are getting on in years - how much will those players ask for, knowing that Salah is getting £500k. It'll have an effect on their wage bill going forward.

So Liverpool have a big choice, if they extend with Salah and make him one of the worlds highest paid players, it'll affect their ability to rebuild successfully, they can expect their wage bill to increase significantly over the course of that contract as others demand more and they'll see the value of Salah decrease as age catches up with him - but, he might just be the best player in the world right now and their fan base would go absolutely bananas if they were to let him go.

Possibly the sensible route is to let him go and spend the money on reinvigorating the squad, but the public outcry would be extraordinary. Liverpool don't have the gas and oil money they're competing with, but they don't have a fanbase that's going to accept that as a reality. It's a real pickle for them.

Sign him up or not?

30 is no age these days. Look at Vardy still banging them in at nearly 35. Sign him up! 

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3 minutes ago, PaulC said:

30 is no age these days. Look at Vardy still banging them in at nearly 35. Sign him up! 

Aye, in fairness, the advances in science, diet and the way players are looked after nowadays means they can carry on for longer, but in so far as i can tell, Vardy only really continues to score goals at his age as a way to annoy me.

 

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