flamingsombrero Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 so what you're saying is that in the last 30 years liverpool have lost home ties vs wolves, reading, barnsley, palace, blackburn, coventry, bristol city, bolton and drawn at home vs west ham, bolton, portsmouth, wimbledon, blues, brighton and luton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: so what you're saying is that in the last 30 years liverpool have lost home ties vs wolves, reading, barnsley, palace, blackburn, coventry, bristol city, bolton and drawn at home vs west ham, bolton, portsmouth, wimbledon, blues, brighton and luton... thats not including the shit teams they have lost in ther league against 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I love how people are saying Liverpool problems are because of Mane going ot ANC. he has been good for them but unless he returns and becomes a mix of Roy Keane, Maldini and Messi its not going to help them that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Mane being flown back from Africa on a private jet Id love him to have a stinker in his first game back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 7 hours ago, Zatman said: I love how people are saying Liverpool problems are because of Mane going ot ANC. he has been good for them but unless he returns and becomes a mix of Roy Keane, Maldini and Messi its not going to help them that much I agree but he his a massive upgrade on sturridge and Origi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Genie said: Mane being flown back from Africa on a private jet Id love him to have a stinker in his first game back. Or get sent off in the first minute! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) They said on the radio this morning that liverpool have lost 3 games in a row at home for the first time in 10yrs. Should they lose their next home game (which is against Chelsea) it will break a record that has stood since 1923 Edited January 29, 2017 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I would expect them to get a result vs Chelsea as they play better vs the good teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 On 07/11/2016 at 08:41, Genie said: I'm pleased they've hit he top of the table nice and early, it'll make the end of the season when they bottle it even more enjoyable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Does Liverpool's squad compare with Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U? Has Klopp worked miracles with the players he has at his disposal ? The answer to the first is no and the second is yes. Basically the tempo which Liverpool play, its not physically possible to maintain that level throughout the season unless you can bring in players as good or nearly as good as the first 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, PaulC said: Does Liverpool's squad compare with Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U? Has Klopp worked miracles with the players he has at his disposal ? The answer to the first is no and the second is yes. Basically the tempo which Liverpool play, its not physically possible to maintain that level throughout the season unless you can bring in players as good or nearly as good as the first 11. this so much....still amazing me how much people care about managers than overall club wages netspend etc etc....especially seeing it at our club under lerner... Any top 4 finish under klopp is amazing....its very very good. no argument. They are performing above expectation if they finish higher than 5th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) On 1/29/2017 at 11:09, Zatman said: I love how people are saying Liverpool problems are because of Mane going ot ANC. he has been good for them but unless he returns and becomes a mix of Roy Keane, Maldini and Messi its not going to help them that much almost as if football is more complicated than what youre saying here?? dafuq...missing mane is huge. literally reason why they paid big money...his pace and ability to follow instructions is HUGE. especially when trying to mix a bunch of playmakers and pacey players in a super high press system. the money klopp needs to spend for that system for defenders would be sooooooooooo much. (not many Koscielny around in this world) you have a squad since summmer......key players go missing...you need those key players to keep performing to the level....happens every club... happens at arsenal cazorla + sanchez. city silva + KDB chelsea costa +hazard. all these players are so important and will always "cover over the cracks" for a perfect team. same here as mane Edited January 30, 2017 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 2 hours ago, gharperr said: almost as if football is more complicated than what youre saying here?? dafuq...missing mane is huge. literally reason why they paid big money...his pace and ability to follow instructions is HUGE. especially when trying to mix a bunch of playmakers and pacey players in a super high press system. the money klopp needs to spend for that system for defenders would be sooooooooooo much. (not many Koscielny around in this world) you have a squad since summmer......key players go missing...you need those key players to keep performing to the level....happens every club... happens at arsenal cazorla + sanchez. city silva + KDB chelsea costa +hazard. all these players are so important and will always "cover over the cracks" for a perfect team. same here as mane Maybe he needs to adapt his system then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 18 hours ago, PaulC said: Does Liverpool's squad compare with Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U? Has Klopp worked miracles with the players he has at his disposal ? The answer to the first is no and the second is yes. Basically the tempo which Liverpool play, its not physically possible to maintain that level throughout the season unless you can bring in players as good or nearly as good as the first 11. Is it not incredibly concerning that half way through a season they're already struggling with the demands, then? Even more so because they haven't had the Champions League to contend with. For me, the absolute fundamental part of being a good manager is striking a balance between getting the best out of a team, without demanding too much of them. This is why Remi Garde was an absolutely awful manager for us. He wanted a group of technically limited players to try and play their way out of situations and it didn't work. Not everyone can play like Barcelona and a manager has to understand that. If Klopp's players are too tired for his style of play, then he needs a Plan B and to adapt. He's done neither to the detriment of the team I agree that top 4 would be a good season for Liverpool. But with over 3 months of play remaining and players looking a bit jaded, a 2 point head start from now over City might not be enough IMO. I'd rather them finish top 4 than City, but I wouldn't bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 44 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Is it not incredibly concerning that half way through a season they're already struggling with the demands, then? Even more so because they haven't had the Champions League to contend with. For me, the absolute fundamental part of being a good manager is striking a balance between getting the best out of a team, without demanding too much of them. This is why Remi Garde was an absolutely awful manager for us. He wanted a group of technically limited players to try and play their way out of situations and it didn't work. Not everyone can play like Barcelona and a manager has to understand that. If Klopp's players are too tired for his style of play, then he needs a Plan B and to adapt. He's done neither to the detriment of the team I agree that top 4 would be a good season for Liverpool. But with over 3 months of play remaining and players looking a bit jaded, a 2 point head start from now over City might not be enough IMO. I'd rather them finish top 4 than City, but I wouldn't bet on it. Good point I think with them being knocked out of both cups he can manage the players better 2nd half of the season and they will find a 2nd wind. Competition is tough this year for top 4, only Chelsea are certain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 31, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 They did lose their top scorer to AFCON, and this is a team very short on strikers. Let's see where they end up. Let's hope they beat Citeh to a top 4 place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) I do rate Klopp and the Mane loss is big. I don't think it's just losing Mane, but from how he talks Klopp's team really an awful lot on the whole team working a certain way. So losing one part is going to affect the whole since they don't really have a vice-Mane in their squad. Edited January 31, 2017 by kurtsimonw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 31, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: I do rate Klopp and the Mane loss is big. I don't think it's just losing Mane, but from how he talks Klopp's team really an awful lot on the whole team working a certain way. So losing one part is going to affect the whole since they don't really have a vice-Mane in their squad. And they've now established that Sturridge really is a bad-mental who is afraid to run in case he literally falls apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 whats happened with Matip at the back too? he didnt want go to the AFCON but i still think liverpool have been unable to play him because FIFA were lurking in the background i think they're another prem team who seem to have spent a good chunk on money on the starting 11 but then have a pretty weak squad overall milner at LB, lucas has been playing games at CB, sturridge IMO isnt good enough, neither is origi, i really dont rate Can and he's ok as a squad player but henderson as your main CM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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