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I read it.

 

But to be honest it's just a more detailed version of the account I already understood to be true. 

 

I've certainly never heard this myth that the article purports that Liverpool fans just went round murdering Juventus fans in that section. Maybe I'm too young to have heard that version.

 

I thought it was generally purported that the Liverpool fans acted without provocation, that what they did was particularly vicious even for English hooligans and that they were solely to blame for the deaths of 39 Juventus fans.

 

The events of Rome the previous season and the way that event was dealt with (as in not), the little flash points such as the slashing of a Liverpool fan outside the ground, the alleged beating of a young Liverpool fan in the "neutral section" (though this seems spurious to me) as well as the fact that there was a **** neutral section in the first place, in 1985(!), and the prevalence of hooliganism ACROSS THE GLOBE at the time created an atmosphere ready to ignite and it should be of no surprise that it did. I'd be a massive hypocrite to sit here as an Aston Villa fan, a fan of a club that holds people like Black Danny in some kind of regard, and not feel an ounce of understanding. It was a different time, a different world, football was a dangerous sport to follow. Fighting was inevitable. 

 

What was not inevitable was holding the game in a ground clearly not fit for purpose, even by 80's standards. UEFA have never been held accountable for this, it was all too easy to push the blame on to Liverpool fans who frankly did nothing "unusual" for the time as disgraceful as that may seem to us now. Thatcher was also too quick to jump on the bandwagon and blame the human element of a problem they had neither the time nor the care to want to fix. She was too busy snatching milk.  

 

These deaths were utterly preventable, much like Ibrox and Bradford before it and Hillsborough after it. It's a crying shame that rather than try and face up to the bigger picture and understand the event and why it happened it was all too easy to blame the "animals" and let it lie. Classic human. Even now, I hear things like Hillsborough being a karmic event, which is sickening to me. 

 

Maybe it was reported differently at the time, I don't know. All I know is how it is perceived now and I feel that Liverpool FC get a very rough ride regarding a very dark moment in history for human kind. 

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Apparently it was done by some Utd fans, funny none the less though :D

 

Wat? Shirley they want Rodgers to stay.

 

 

Apparently it was to embarrass the Plop fans or something like that, not seen a real explanation why they'd do it, just Plop fans adamant that it was Utd fans, could just be trying to distance themselves I suppose.

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So both Heysel and Hillsborough were caused by the quality of the stadium  (that most other clubs had used week in week out with any such problems)

 

It seems to me that Liverpool pushed for enquiry after enquiry until they got one that said what they wanted. Effectively history has be re written to suit.

 

 

On the field they only way the will get back to former glories is doing what they did in the late 70's early 80's - blow everyone out of the water with a cheque book  - not so easy with Man City and Chelsea around - but that's the reason for their decline. 

 

 

Have you even read up about either incidents before forming an opinion?

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So both Heysel and Hillsborough were caused by the quality of the stadium  (that most other clubs had used week in week out with any such problems)

 

It seems to me that Liverpool pushed for enquiry after enquiry until they got one that said what they wanted. Effectively history has be re written to suit.

 

 

On the field they only way the will get back to former glories is doing what they did in the late 70's early 80's - blow everyone out of the water with a cheque book  - not so easy with Man City and Chelsea around - but that's the reason for their decline. 

 

 

Have you even read up about either incidents before forming an opinion?

 

 

Yes - but I don't really need to.

 

To many in the ground without tickets - disastrous consequences

 

Liverpool fans charge at oppositions fans - wall collapses 

 

No amount of evidence, leaning on people, finding any tom dick and harry to give revised version of events over 25+ years  will convince me otherwise. 

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So both Heysel and Hillsborough were caused by the quality of the stadium  (that most other clubs had used week in week out with any such problems)

 

It seems to me that Liverpool pushed for enquiry after enquiry until they got one that said what they wanted. Effectively history has be re written to suit.

 

 

On the field they only way the will get back to former glories is doing what they did in the late 70's early 80's - blow everyone out of the water with a cheque book  - not so easy with Man City and Chelsea around - but that's the reason for their decline. 

 

 

Have you even read up about either incidents before forming an opinion?

 

 

Yes - but I don't really need to.

 

No amount of evidence will convince me otherwise. 

 

 

Good to see you're not prejudiced though...

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I think he will definitely be chopped in the summer. Anyone think we could see a manager swap between the two Liverpool teams?

Didn't Martinez turn Liverpool down before.

Only if you believe Dave Whelan. Liverpool were adamant he wasn't offered it.

Been a few private events and Martinez has been directly asked about this on a few occasions (and Villa btw!) - each time he has said the same thing, he has received numerous offers from clubs in PL and abroad while at Wigan but none 'felt' right.

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More of the offensive garbage about Hillsborough from the same offender again, I see.

 

Hey - if you want to believe a report 25 years in the making fine.

 

I will trust my instincts - it was an all ticket match - to many fans without tickets = overcrowding.

 

You need to rewind to the 80's the scousers were very much the loveable rogues, - numerous TV series about loveable scousers generally being up to no good - but all in a way that made it ok.

 

Thats my opinion - I don't see what's so offensive about it - other than it doesn't fit the mood of today and tie in with hours and hours of campaigning to get a report that said what they wanted.

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