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In the qualification for Euro 2012, Belgium were in Germany's group. As good a group of players they have, they are not on Germanys level yet.

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I have noticed in the build up to the Croatia-Scotland game a lot of people mentioning that they are ranked 4th in the world, are a world-class team and have players who played in the Champions League final.

 

However I haven't noticed many people saying that the FIFA world rankings are a joke, there's is no way that Croatia are better Holland, Portugal, Italy, France and Brazil and how Croatia didn't qualify for the last World Cup and didn't get past the group stage at Euro 2012.

 

Maybe it only applies when England are ranked 4th...

 

rankings are a joke but Croatia are a top team and 3rd best in Europe.

 

as said before only didnt get out of group as 2 finalists was in same group. from the 3 teams that beat Ireland they were the most impressive

 

 

Lost 1-0 at home to Scotland. Awkward...

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not really. Isnt that the beauty of football, anybody can beat anybody on their day. Celtic beat barcelona this year nobody would say that Barcelona arent 3rd or 4th best team in Europe

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It says in the OP. The Copa America results have dropped out so countries with those have lost out.

People being 'surprised' by how the FIFA rankings work is really starting to piss me off now. We all know they dont say who the best teams in the world are, they say who has collected the most ranking points over a given time are. Collecting a lot of ranking points does not necessarily make you a better team than somebody who hasnt has the opportunity to collect many at all.

Quite.

It's a mathematical system that rewards consistency of results over a given time period with greater weight given to results in competitive matches.

Obviously FIFA is going to want a rankings system of some sort. Anyone got a better suggestion of how to do it?

Elo ratings (which FIFA uses for the women's ranking). I'd recommend assessing actual results based on Jamesian sine, too. Every result going back to that first international between England and Scotland counts in this rating; the number of points awarded or deducted depends on how poorly the result was predicted by the ratings coming in.

Example:

Spain (rating 2125) defeats Germany (rating 2029) in Germany. With home-advantage of 100 rating points, the expectation for Spain is (1/(10^(4/400) + 1) = 0.494. Since Spain won (result value of 1.000), they would have (1-.494)*K (where K is used to assess the importance of the match: if it's at the World Cup finals, K=60, so Spain would take 30 points from Germany; for Euro finals, K=50, so 25 points are exchanged; for World Cup or Euro qualifying, K=40, so 20 points are exchanged; for a friendly, K=20, so 10 points).

Meanwhile, if Spain (rating 2125) defeat Palau (the bottom team in the rankings; rating 488) in Spain, the expectation is 0.999955, so even if it was in a World Cup final, with K=60, Spain would get no credit in the rating (and if Palau won, that would result in 60 points going from Spain to Palau).

Current base Elo ratings

1. Spain - 2125

2. Germany - 2029

3. Brazil - 2012

4. Argentina - 1991

5. Netherlands - 1977

6. England - 1922

7. Italy - 1896

8. Croatia - 1885

9. Russia - 1868

10. Colombia - 1867

11. Portugal - 1860

12. Mexico - 1857

13. Ecuador - 1854

14. Sweden - 1852

15. France - 1837

16. Ivory Coast - 1823

17. Belgium - 1803 (Belgium are the most improved over the past year, picking up 26 places and 148 points)

18. Uruguay - 1799 (biggest decliner: down 13 places and 146 points)

19. Chile - 1796

20. Switzerland - 1789

21. Denmark - 1772

22. Greece - 1769

23. Bosnia - 1762

24. Japan - 1751

25. USA - 1745

26. Peru - 1741

27. Czech Rep - 1739

28. Australia - 1739

29. Ukraine - 1735

30. South Korea - 1726

31. Ireland - 1724

32. Nigeria - 1715

Giving New Zealand a pass, but otherwise giving the top 31 countries entry into the World Cup, this would, incidentally, imply this is about the most balanced, geographically and competitively, World Cup draw from the current ratings

Brazil - Ivory Coast - Belgium - Ukraine

Spain - Ecuador - Bosnia - Australia

Germany - Mexico - Uruguay - Ireland

Argentina - France - Switzerland - Peru

Netherlands - Colombia - Japan - Czech Rep

England - Russia - Greece - New Zealand

Italy - Portugal - Denmark - South Korea

Croatia - Sweden - Chile - USA

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I do love how, just days before we bought Benteke, in a discussion of good players on the Belgium team, Benteke wasn't once mentioned.

 

To be fair, this was his breakthrough season at international level, all his goals for his country have been scored in 2012/13. 

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BBC Sport

 

 

Scotland gave their best performance in several years to beat the worlds's fourth best team on their own turf

 

 

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I'd take the Belgium squad over the England squad every day if the week. The fact that Belgium ranks so far behind England makes a bit of a mockery of the rankings.

 

Not really. They haven't qualified for a tournament in 10 years.

 

It's only natural that they'd be behind us in the rankings.

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I'd take the Belgium squad over the England squad every day if the week. The fact that Belgium ranks so far behind England makes a bit of a mockery of the rankings.

 

Not really. They haven't qualified for a tournament in 10 years.

 

It's only natural that they'd be behind us in the rankings.

 

 

I agree with your first sentence but not the second. England's ranking is too high but as yet Belgium don't merit a higher ranking, although I think they'll go further than us in the world cup.

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With the world cup draw in December, they might look at world ranking as one of the seeding criteria, so even though I think the world rankings are a load of bollox, they still might be important.

 

Only if you consider it important which nation knocks us out in the 2nd round.

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With the world cup draw in December, they might look at world ranking as one of the seeding criteria, so even though I think the world rankings are a load of bollox, they still might be important.

 

Only if you consider it important which nation knocks us out in the 2nd round.

 

 

Could be the difference between the Last 16 and the quarter-finals.

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don't they look at your last 3 tournaments and qualifying rounds?

 

and im sure we were excellent in the last qualifying round so there every danger we might be top seeds

 

brazil, spain, Italy, Germany, argentina will be certs then you'll have us, france, Holland, Portugal, Uruguay maybe Croatia as the potential other 3

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