Pilchard Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) I don't think anyone disagrees that we're better with vlaar than without him. That's mainly due to the other options not being good enough. We're still a poor defence with vlaar in it. Well you seem to be going to extraordinary effort to ignore any evidence in this thread that shows Vlaar might actually not be rubbish. But then immediately saying other people are ignoring evidence when they dare to have a different view than you. To be fair....Vlaar in mid-table quality at best. But is also our best defender. Which says a lot about the club, really. Sticking any Premier League quality defender in the team is going to improve it when you have Clark and Baker there. Edited May 8, 2014 by Pilchard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 My opinion on Vlaar is he is the best defender at the club at the moment and without him in the team, the results are worse. But he is mid table quality. I don't think he would have got in the team with the centre backs we had under MON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 My opinion on Vlaar is he is the best defender at the club at the moment and without him in the team, the results are worse. But he is mid table quality. I don't think he would have got in the team with the centre backs we had under MON. With ease he his better than Dunne and Collins - Stick either one of them next to Baker and Clark and see how good they are then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_sun_never_sets Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 My opinion on Vlaar is he is the best defender at the club at the moment and without him in the team, the results are worse. But he is mid table quality. I don't think he would have got in the team with the centre backs we had under MON. I do miss Zat Knight sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 My opinion on Vlaar is he is the best defender at the club at the moment and without him in the team, the results are worse. But he is mid table quality. I don't think he would have got in the team with the centre backs we had under MON. With ease he his better than Dunne and Collins - Stick either one of them next to Baker and Clark and see how good they are then. He is better then Dunne, but not Collins. I actually rated Collins (gets ready for abuse) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Just had a rethink, he is not better then Mellberg, Laursen or Collins, but he is better then Knight and Dunne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 8, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2014 I don't think anyone disagrees that we're better with vlaar than without him. That's mainly due to the other options not being good enough. We're still a poor defence with vlaar in it. Well you seem to be going to extraordinary effort to ignore any evidence in this thread that shows Vlaar might actually not be rubbish. But then immediately saying other people are ignoring evidence when they dare to have a different view than you. I've not ignored it at all. I've acknowledged the evidence that shows vlaar improves us when he plays and I've given credit when I felt he deserved it. Yet when others acknowledge Vlaar's faults and the defence in general, but also acknowledge that he's also a decent defender, it's you accusing them of ignoring evidence. Why? Because they don't agree with you? I don't think anyone disagrees that we're better with vlaar than without him. That's mainly due to the other options not being good enough. We're still a poor defence with vlaar in it. Well you seem to be going to extraordinary effort to ignore any evidence in this thread that shows Vlaar might actually not be rubbish. But then immediately saying other people are ignoring evidence when they dare to have a different view than you. To be fair....Vlaar in mid-table quality at best. But is also our best defender. Which says a lot about the club, really. Sticking any Premier League quality defender in the team is going to improve it when you have Clark and Baker there. None of which disagrees with anything I've said. Although I'd argue that Vlaar is better than "mid-table quality at best", but that could just be down to opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Just had a rethink, he is not better then Mellberg, Laursen or Collins, but he is better then Knight and Dunne. Not better than Collins, seriously? I don't even know how you can put Collins in the same sentence as Mellberg and Laursen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Just had a rethink, he is not better then Mellberg, Laursen or Collins, but he is better then Knight and Dunne. I don't think he's a patch on any of those, I'd put him on a par with Liam Ridgewell or Cuellar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Dunne made the premiership team of the year. I can't see vlaar ever managing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Remember 09/10 when Villa had one of the best defences in the whole league (apart from the Chelsea game), Collins was one of the reasons behind that. So good in the air, and popped up with a few important goals too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Collins and dunne were an excellent defence during MON's last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 In my opinion, Villa only have 5 player's that are Premiership quality, Vlaar is one of them. Lets hope he doesn't have a good world cup (sorry villaajax), or the vultures will come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggy_333 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Dunne made the premiership team of the year. I can't see vlaar ever managing that. Look at the team we had back then though BJ. Our team is a shadow of that one and our midfield doesn't protect the defence half as much as our midfield did back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Dunne made the premiership team of the year. I can't see vlaar ever managing that. So? Vlaar is in a much worse team than Dunne was. Remember 09/10 when Villa had one of the best defences in the whole league (apart from the Chelsea game), Collins was one of the reasons behind that. So good in the air, and popped up with a few important goals too. Remember 10/11 and 11/12 when they were shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Collins was like most premier league defenders - solid, prone to a mistake, and had the occasional blinder. I like Vlaar but defences are all about partnerships, and he certainly isn't helped by having Baker/Clark and an inexperienced right back beside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Just had a rethink, he is not better then Mellberg, Laursen or Collins, but he is better then Knight and Dunne. I'm stunned you put collins in the same breath as those two Villa gods. Behave yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Villa gods? You behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Vlaar is mediocre at best to be honest. He is nowhere near the top 5 best centre backs we have had during my 26 years of following villa, actually nowhere near the top 10 Edited May 8, 2014 by KHV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Interesting statement KHV, I will wait to see other responses before I chip in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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