Voinjama Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Secondlt TRS-T how can you put England as 'tier 1' on the same level as countries who have won the world cup 4 or 5 times. Or countries who have 3 world cups and 3 euros. Or countries who have the world and euro titles at the same time. They are currently and hstorically on a higher level. England are at the 2nd level. Spain and France have only got 1 World Cup - the same as us. Spain and France both have 2 Euro wins each too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 I'll get a lot of stick for it, but I also think people are massively overrating Spain. I think Holland have been better all-time. Perhaps their recent dominance has clouded peoples judgement. I think overall Holland generally do better in tournaments then Spain, but Spain have won 3 trophies to Hollands 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Spain and France have only got 1 World Cup - the same as us though you rate Uruiguay with 2 and current South American champions as below these 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 greece Also have a euro, but doesnt mean shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 greece Also have a euro, but doesnt mean shit. Winning a major championship doesnt mean anything. I guess England shouldn't bother entering the world cup next time then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Spain and France have only got 1 World Cup - the same as us though you rate Uruiguay with 2 and current South American champions as below these 2 Uruguay is a tricky one. Could be tier 1 or tier 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 greece Also have a euro, but doesnt mean shit. Winning a major championship doesnt mean anything. I guess England shouldn't bother entering the world cup next time then. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 I think the 18-22 year olds coming through now are better then the previous England players who will soon be departing. So we may see England in the world cup final in Russia 2018. But I think other countries also have top players coming through especially Germany, Argentina and Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishVillan Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Yes it's basically like: Brazil, Germany Italy, Argentina France, Spain England, Holland, Portugal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uruguay, Russia, Greece, Denmark, Sweden, Czech Republic, Japan, USA, Mexico, South Korea, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Egpyt etc That makes sense, considering international football is basically what boxing would be without weight classes. Size does matter and Portugal and Holland are punching way above their weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Luckily for me Wales have ascended to a higher plane of conciousness and don't worry about petty rankings, qualifications or positive goal difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 These were the seedings for the 2014 World Cup qualification draw: Pot 1 - Spain, Holland, Germany, England, Portugal, Italy, Croatia, Norway, Greece Pot 2 - France, Montenegro, Russia, Sweden, Denmark, Slovenia, Turkey, Serbia, Slovakia Pot 3 - Switzerland, Israel, Republic of Ireland, Belgium, Czech Republic, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary Pot 4 - Bulgaria, Romania, Georgia, Lithuania, Albania, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Austria, Poland Pot 5 - Armenia, Finland, Estonia, Cyprus, Latvia, Moldova, Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Faroe Islands Pot 6 - Wales, Liechtenstein, Iceland, Kazakhstan, Luxembourg, Malta, Andorra, San Marino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 http://www.ufwc.co.uk/ North Korea are unofficial world champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Well Spain are now in another final. 3 finals in a row. If they win I would say they are now the 3rd most successful European team overall behind Italy and Germany. And also if they win they would equal Germanys record of 3 Euro championship wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 World Rankings are bollocks though mostly. Greece better than France? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Norway in pot 1. They havent qualified for a tournament since Euro 2000 They didnt even make the playoffs for the Euros or the last world cup. Very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Van Marwijk has resigned as Netherlands manager. I'll be very interested to see who is going to succed him, hopefully we'll see a return of exciting, creative football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I hear McLeish is looking for a project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I expect they'll pick someone Dutch, like Steve McClaren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Van Marwijk has resigned as Netherlands manager. I'll be very interested to see who is going to succed him, hopefully we'll see a return of exciting, creative football. Oh the Netherlands were exciting, for the wrong reasons. Defensively so open the other team could just attack, attack, attack and gets loads of shots. Whats with the leaked documents anyway? About Van Der Vaart and Heitinga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I hear McLeish is looking for a project And he's nailed that Dutch style Oh God, what if hey went for Shteve? "Yesh... great opportunity... World Cup qualifiers... Turkey? Eshtonia?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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