StefanAVFC Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 well well well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 If this turns out all lies the woman should be thrown in jail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: If this turns out all lies the woman should be thrown in jail It's quite obviously not "all lies", even if it turns out he's not Guilty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 15 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's quite obviously not "all lies", even if it turns out he's not Guilty. I suppose it depends whether you base your opinions only on reading The Sun in a white van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted April 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2016 I hate cases like this. Regardless of the outcome, somebody's name is dragged through the mud before a conviction is even made. Where's the anonymity for both parties? The grey area? The whole thing just makes me uneasy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 37 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's quite obviously not "all lies", even if it turns out he's not Guilty. The part I refer to is if it's proven she gave consent, if she deliberately lied and it's proven she should be thrown in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 "But he's convicted of being a rapist, so he is one, by law". Hmm, turns out he may not be. Could still be mind but I remember a load of smug unwavering armchair lawyers & judges saying the above when people questioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 It seems likely that the new evidence was probably the same or very similar to that which turned the case in the Jian Ghomeshi case in Canada, where a trail of text messages and emails between his accusers, revealed lies and conspiracy. Luckily for Ghomeshi and Evans, they had the resources to get access to the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 The thing that baffled me about it, was the tweets sent by the accuser about winning big. If you genuinely believed you'd been raped, wouldn't you just be happy to get a conviction? Not gleefully bragging about your 'winnings'? The whole case is screwed up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 He's gonna end up playing for us isn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Genie said: He's gonna end up scoring against us while playing for SHA isn't he. Fixed. Edited April 21, 2016 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Rightly or wrongly whether he gets found not guilty at his retrial or not, I have little sympathy for the situation he's found himself in as it came about from him acting like such an odious scumbag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Decent player on his day. Get him signed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 1 minute ago, rodders0223 said: Decent player on his day. Get him signed up. And he hasn't played football in 4 years and his retrial hasn't even started yet. I'd rather not take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: The part I refer to is if it's proven she gave consent, if she deliberately lied and it's proven she should be thrown in jail. Whatever happens at the retrial, I would be amazed if that could be 'proven' one way or the other. 1 hour ago, Ingram85 said: "But he's convicted of being a rapist, so he is one, by law". Hmm, turns out he may not be. Could still be mind but I remember a load of smug unwavering armchair lawyers & judges saying the above when people questioned it. To be fair, they were right. Now he isn't. He might be again. 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: The thing that baffled me about it, was the tweets sent by the accuser about winning big. If you genuinely believed you'd been raped, wouldn't you just be happy to get a conviction? Not gleefully bragging about your 'winnings'? The whole case is screwed up. People don't always act logically in the wake of a traumatic event. On the other hand, of course, maybe there is new evidence that she was treating the event as a payday. I'm sure it'll come out at retrial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Seat68 said: It will be interesting to see what the fresh evidence is. Indeed - and it willl be interesting to see the outcome of a new trial (if the CPS don't decide to drop the case before it begins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, snowychap said: Indeed - and it willl be interesting to see the outcome of a new trial (if the CPS don't decide to drop the case before it begins). That is quite possible should the evidence turn out to be so glaring and easily obtained, that it embarrasses them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 We're guessing in the dark, but I would say the CPS had promised a retrial before the conviction was quashed, so it certainly sounded like they still felt confident. As I say, it's a guess at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 so many questions but the appeal seems to have been based around a previous trial where a judge established that someone can still consent to sex even if they have consumed substantial quantities of alcohol... does that still technically make him a rapist , just one that has argued a point of law rather than proved innocence ? but where does he go from here though ?(assuming he doesn't face a retrial) his losses will have been quite vast can he sue for wrongful dismissal by the club , can he sue the woman in question ( though arguably she won't have anything to sue her for) .. or is he just Chad Evans he skint ex-footballer who had a threesome from now on in ? if he doesn't face a retrial , can the woman who accused him then be named (other than on twitter) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoaxn Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 4 hours ago, tonyh29 said: can he sue for wrongful dismissal by the club , can he sue the woman in question ( though arguably she won't have anything to sue her for) .. I'm not a lawyer but I would assume there would be no case against his club. At the time they had reasonable grounds to dismiss him. There was no way to know that 4 years later his conviction would be overturned. As for suing her... I suppose he may have a leg to stand on to sue her for being the cause of loss of earnings and defamation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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