Voinjama Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 This should also been in the other football section because MON is no longer at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Always put one in the brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 MONs strength is getting the best from average players, one of MONs weaknesses is the transfer market, but the said strength covers the weakness until he leaves. Put it this way, I don't think the squad he left was vastly superior to the one he inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 He spunked a lot of money up the wall didn't he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 20, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2012 Not this shit again. I can' tbe bothered to address all the signings, but I'll just say that Zat Knight was in no way a disaster signing, and it really annoys me that people class him as such. That's not to say he was a great player, but he did ok for us, he wasn't bought as first choice but did a job when he had to fill in for longer than we probably expected him to, he didn't cost much, he loved the club, gave us some great moments (debut goal vs Chelsea, equaliser vs Arsenal) and we sold him for a profit. How is that a disaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 He spunked a lot of money up the wall didn't he Yes, and left us saddled with some expensive, highly waged 'flops'. I actually can't think of any of his signings that are still with us that could be described as 'very good'. The excellent ones he signed, have now gone (Milner, Young) as have the decent ones (Downing). We're left with the average/half decent (like Collins, or RBD) and some flops. Stan's obviously been a good signing though. Not the best of legacies, it has to be said, although Lerner has to cop at least half of the flak for that too. Now we're rebuilding, almost from scratch, with some very decent academy kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Not this shit again. I can' tbe bothered to address all the signings, but I'll just say that Zat Knight was in no way a disaster signing, and it really annoys me that people class him as such. That's not to say he was a great player, but he did ok for us, he wasn't bought as first choice but did a job when he had to fill in for longer than we probably expected him to, he didn't cost much, he loved the club, gave us some great moments (debut goal vs Chelsea, equaliser vs Arsenal) and we sold him for a profit. How is that a disaster? Because: a. he was shit b. It shunted Cahill further out of the frame, which led to him wanting to leave, and MON being all too quick to sell such a talented young centre half, for far less than he paid for big Curt. Not MON's finest hour, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Disaster: Zat Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 In what World is Fabian Delph not a disaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Great: Ashley Young, Brad Friedel, James Milner Good: Luke Young, Stewart Downing, Stylian Petrov, John Carew, Richard Dunne Average: Chris Sutton, Nigel Reo-Coker, Brad Guzan, Carlos Cueller, James Collins, Marlon Harewood, Shaun Maloney, Zat Knight Poor: Curtis Davis, Nicky Shorey, Fabian Delph, Stephen Warnock, Phil Bardsley, Moustapha Salifou Disaster: Didier Agathe, Gabor Kiraly, Wayne Routledge, Scott Carson, Steve Sidwell, Emile Heskey, Habib Beye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I predict that this thread will go for many pages, maybe even hundreds and then get merged with the already existing MON thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Great: Ashley Young, Brad Friedel, James Milner Good: Luke Young, Stewart Downing, Stylian Petrov, John Carew, Richard Dunne Average: Chris Sutton, Nigel Reo-Coker, Brad Guzan, Carlos Cueller, James Collins, Marlon Harewood, Shaun Maloney, Zat Knight Poor: Curtis Davis, Nicky Shorey, Fabian Delph, Stephen Warnock, Phil Bardsley, Moustapha Salifou Disaster: Didier Agathe, Gabor Kiraly, Wayne Routledge, Scott Carson, Steve Sidwell, Emile Heskey, Habib Beye Pretty much my take on it, maybe move Maloney down to poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Great: Ashley Young, Brad Friedel, James Milner Good: Luke Young, Stewart Downing, Stylian Petrov, John Carew, Richard Dunne Average: Chris Sutton, Nigel Reo-Coker, Brad Guzan, Carlos Cueller, James Collins, Marlon Harewood, Shaun Maloney, Zat Knight Poor: Curtis Davis, Nicky Shorey, Fabian Delph, Stephen Warnock, Phil Bardsley, Moustapha Salifou Disaster: Didier Agathe, Gabor Kiraly, Wayne Routledge, Scott Carson, Steve Sidwell, Emile Heskey, Habib Beye Agree with the list apart from 2 things. John Carew was average, his final year at the club he was extremely lazy and frustrating. And Moustapha Salifou was a disaster, yes he didnt cost that much, but what exactly has he contributed? Almost nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 20, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2012 Not this shit again. I can' tbe bothered to address all the signings, but I'll just say that Zat Knight was in no way a disaster signing, and it really annoys me that people class him as such. That's not to say he was a great player, but he did ok for us, he wasn't bought as first choice but did a job when he had to fill in for longer than we probably expected him to, he didn't cost much, he loved the club, gave us some great moments (debut goal vs Chelsea, equaliser vs Arsenal) and we sold him for a profit. How is that a disaster? Because: a. he was shit b. It shunted Cahill further out of the frame, which led to him wanting to leave, and MON being all too quick to sell such a talented young centre half, for far less than he paid for big Curt. Not MON's finest hour, that. I disagree. He wasn't shit. He wasn't great, and he certainly had shit moments. But he was an alright defender, that cost us 3 million, who we then sold for more than that. Second point is true, but I think it's tedious to link that to Knight being a disaster. You can' t blame selling Cahill on buying Zat Knight, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Zat Knight was shit. He's a shit defender as is Curtis Davies. O'Neill bought them both, which forced Cahill out, and he moved Mellberg to right back to accommodate them. Harewood was another disasterous signing, as was Heskey. Spectaularly shit players who have been responsible for tens of millions of pounds exiting the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 20, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 20, 2012 Disaster: Zat Knight :nod: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Disaster:Zat Knight But the volley against Arsenal = instant legend for me. Slagged him off constantly but that just shut me right up. Plus he was a villa fan, so bit of a soft spot for players on the firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 At £10m, Curtis Davies is the very definition of Disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 In terms of how much he cost, yes. But his performances were not actually that bad. It is just he did not get close to the amount he cost. Remember the 3-1 win at Anfield, surely that was one of the best indiviudal performances by a Villa player in recent years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 At £10m, Curtis Davies is the very definition of Disaster Davies put in a handful of good performances but was no where near what we paid for him. I think Zat Knight was average to poor but he wasn't all that bad considering he did a job and we got our money back/made a profit on him. Shaun Maloney is another I wouldn't consider a disaster. Scored one or two important goals for us and just didn't settle. He's doing alright at Wigan at the moment. Think we made a little profit on him as well. Although I'm inclined to agree with Risso's point that a lot of the players sapped the money out of the club with little return for our money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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