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What an absolute c!nt; she deserved to die.

You risk portraying yourself as wholly ignorant of political matters.

She gave her life to win the vote. People are currently fawning over latter-day protestors in safely far-away lands who do far less, to win far less.

She challenged our establishment, when it wasn't safe to do so, made major political gains, and paid with her life.

You mock this? Astonishing.

have to say Peter that I hadn't seen Baz's post in that way .. he raised a fair and valid point with Miss Davison ..whilst I personally disagree that boat race twunt deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as her I thought the point he was trying to make was quite clear ??

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Fair play to the bloke, the fact that he's had a privileged upbringing makes him more credible IMO. It's not like he's a champagne socialist, he's actually stuck it to the establishment, got peoples backs up, and got a criminal record for it. He's made a sacrifice, and that's what it's all about.

Indeed. Fully agree Mr S.

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Here's another one.

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What an absolute c!nt; she deserved to die.

You risk portraying yourself as wholly ignorant of political matters.

She gave her life to win the vote. People are currently fawning over latter-day protestors in safely far-away lands who do far less, to win far less.

She challenged our establishment, when it wasn't safe to do so, made major political gains, and paid with her life.

You mock this? Astonishing.

If you're referring to Mr Stephenson (Stevo985) then I'd fully agree with you Mr MS.

BazD was making the point in a sarcastic way using Emil--y Davison to highlight his point that protestors can make a difference by making a sacrifice.

I think you have gone after the wrong target Pete.

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Well if it was aimed at me, I certainly wasn't mocking her either.

I was just questioning whether saying someone doesn't deserve to die (which is what Baz meant) is applicable to someone who has deliberately killed themselves.

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Bollocks to the protest, and I'm one who wants rid of public schools.

I say this because it's a sporting event. is it elite? of course it is, but it's no more elitist than the masters, wimbledon or any bloody F1 grand prix.

there are better ways to voice ones concern over the old class system than hopping in a river and disturbing a boat race.

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Bollocks to the protest, and I'm one who wants rid of public schools.

I say this because it's a sporting event. is it elite? of course it is, but it's no more elitist than the masters, wimbledon or any bloody F1 grand prix.

there are better ways to voice ones concern over the old class system than hopping in a river and disturbing a boat race.

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Seems another "equality campaigner " got his just reward today

Gordon Thompson has been sentenced to 11-and-a-half years in prison for setting fire to the Reeves furniture store in Croydon during the London riots.

Thompson, 34, was sentenced at the Old Bailey for arson, being reckless as to whether life was endangered and burglary.

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Bollocks to the protest, and I'm one who wants rid of public schools.

I say this because it's a sporting event. is it elite? of course it is, but it's no more elitist than the masters, wimbledon or any bloody F1 grand prix.

there are better ways to voice ones concern over the old class system than hopping in a river and disturbing a boat race.

Well, I kind of agree about the way to go about it, but I disagree with the golf, tennis and racing comparisons.

This isn't a race to determine the best rowing crew in the country. Or even the best student rowing crew in the country. No other major sporting event requires the contestants to be attending one of the country's two most 'elite' academic establishments, they are open to anybody who can show sufficient talent in their chosen sport.

But my objection is not to the fact that Oxford and Cambridge have an annual race against each other - that's fine, they have every right to do so. But why is it deemed worthy of such national media attention? After all, do the BBC make such a fuss over other UK inter-university sports events involving the like of Bradford, Loughborough or Aston? Because that's all it is - student sport.

It's a hangover from the days when the oicks were expected to look up to their 'betters', and allowed a peek at their future leaders from the jolly old varsity, a nice day out for the great unwashed.

I'm not interested in rowing. But if I was, I'd want to watch a more open contest than one which is merely a day out for the champers and canape set.

So, for all the fact that the protester is a bit of a buffoon, there's a valid point buried in there somewhere.

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Seems another "equality campaigner " got his just reward today

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Really? At what point was matey who jumped in the Thames attempting to bomb Greek banks, burn down buildings, and so on?

You may disagree with his 'protest' or his 'cause' or think he's a cock but it's quite worrying the way your posts on the subject of protest and dissent try to distort things.

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Seems another "equality campaigner " got his just reward today

:?

Really? At what point was matey who jumped in the Thames attempting to bomb Greek banks, burn down buildings, and so on?

You may disagree with his 'protest' or his 'cause' or think he's a cock but it's quite worrying the way your posts on the subject of protest and dissent try to distort things.

nobody is trying to distort anything .. to some extent they are the same , just one group has taken to bombs to make it's voice be heard

matey boy that jumped in the Thames was praised for his socking it to the system , fighting inequality and so forth ... the bombers in Greece in their opinion are doing exactly the same thing ... So I felt it was only fair to ask Jon if the people in Greece were also to be applauded ..of course Jon has yet to come back on this subject so one has no idea how he feels about such a group and their actions

the " " around equality campaigner for arson /looter man was me trying to do a web version of that annoying finger thingy that people do when trying to be sarcastic .. Of course the bloke that set fire to the building had no agenda other than being a criminal so arguably he shouldn't be included in this thread .... and yet from the time the riots happened the more left leaning members of VT appeared to to want to paint people like him as some form of Aung San Suu Kyi type character and that we should be doffing our caps to them....

Everyone knows !! The riots were of course about inequality and a protest at the toffs running the country and so of course he should be entitled to help himself to ipads and set fire to buildings as part of his right to protest ... indeed with him being so disadvantaged maybe he should be given government aid to buy matches as well

I've no problem with the right to protest if that is what people want to do , but not in this manor ...Thames clearing in the woods ruined an event for just about everyone participating and watching all for his 5 minutes of fame , there was nothing noble about it , he's deluded if he thinks otherwise ... he'll be tomorrows fish and chip wrappings and forgotten about the minute the next celeb has a haircut or buys a poodle

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These bloody protesters, stopping the Oxbridge school sports day, stealing the Olympic torch off poor Connie Huq, stopping people from getting into St Pauls in London. Why oh why don't these 'people' do their protesting quietly out of the way somewhere, eh??

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nobody is trying to distort anything

Your posts on this subject appear to be doing that very thing..

...just one group has taken to bombs to make it's voice be heard ...

And another has jumped in front of some people messing about on the river.

It would seem that what your posts (on this subject) are trying to do are elicit emotional reactions to those situations where people have either intentionally or recklessly endangered other people (especially those who are not the real targets of their ire) and transpose them on to any situation where people may be inconvenienced or pissed off at someone protesting.

That yer man who jumped in to the river did that rather than taking them out with some sort of projectile explosive makes them very different circumstances indeed.

You say you have no objection to the right to protest but you appear to object to people excercising that right.

In which case the right doesn't really exist at all.

Part of the point of living in a (relatively) free society is that people can excercise these rights even if (perhaps especially if) other people don't want them to.

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Part of the point of living in a (relatively) free society is that people can excercise these rights

arguably the same right that he denied to those people who did actually want to watch a boat race

And what could happen as a result of his actions is that the government will now use him as one more justification for it's snooping laws and that (relatively) free society becomes a step closer to becoming extinct

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Part of the point of living in a (relatively) free society is that people can excercise these rights

arguably the same right that he denied to those people who did actually want to watch a boat race

And what could happen as a result of his actions is that the government will now use him as one more justification for it's snooping laws and that (relatively) free society becomes a step closer to becoming extinct

Ah yes, we've brought it on ourselves. :?
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Part of the point of living in a (relatively) free society is that people can excercise these rights

arguably the same right that he denied to those people who did actually want to watch a boat race

Well not exactly. I don't think that they were there protesting, were they?

They were excercising their right to go about their daily business be that plashing along a river, getting bladdered along the riverside, cheering whichever of the two universities they may have a connection to (or have bet upon) or watching on the box.

Whether or not the 'swimmer' overstepped the boundary of what was completely lawful is something for the law to decide. That he was arrested for a public order offence (and subsequently charged, I think) suggests that the police thought he had and that people's peaceful enjoyment of their right to go about their business and whatnot had been temporarily obstructed. It hadn't been denied to them,

Again, though, you appear to be putting the case that protest or dissent shouldn't be allowed to happen if at any point the excercising of it encroaches on other people's rights (in even a minor or temporary way).

And what could happen as a result of his actions is that the government will now use him as one more justification for it's snooping laws and that (relatively) free society becomes a step closer to becoming extinct

Incidents such as these are very likely to be abused by those in power to try to do just that.

The shame should fall on those who fall for the claims made by those in power and, perhaps, those who advocated against the exercising of the right to voice dissent in the first place.

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I'm not mocking emile Davison, she's got more guts than me. Aung San Suu Kyi is another great woman. These are the kinds of females women should look up to in their sisterhood, not the spice girls. Anyway I digress, I was making a sarcastic point not in anyway having a go at Miss Davison, quite the opposite.

Fair enough, apologies for misreading you.

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not in this manor

Is that uber-posh for not in my backyard? :detect:;)

Anyway, might be a douchebag but tbh you only ever change things in this world by getting out there and making a splash. He just got a bit literal with it. In principle I applaud people making an effort despite it shaming my own apathy. Anyway, isn't the whole point about protest or striking to bring attention on a broader scale to particular issues? And by briefly mildly inconveniencing a couple of people it might get one or two of them in the process to reflect on the reason for the intervention? At point anyway, in reality most people appear now to have this rather boring 'materialistic, get of my way stop interrupting my life, I have no time to think about the condition of others you muppe't approach.

Attention and Voices more effective in the long run than quiet mumblings on a blog. ( saying as someone who can't even be bothered to maintain a blog ). I wish I had that energy.

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Is that uber-posh for not in my backyard? detective Wink

sadly just me being uber-thick :oops:

Edit: surprised snowy didn't pick up on that one , he must be slipping :-)

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