Would you report a family member for benefit fraud?

[snowychap]

I find it particularly funny some of left-leaners on here would obviously be well up for grassing.

And some 'right slanters' seem to be, too.

Not sure there's much to be gained from making it some kind of right/left thing, mate.

Unfortunately Stasi Britannia isn't a career option since the last election.

You ought to pay a little more attention to some of the coalition's crap then, Rich.

[endof]

Nope, I **** wouldn't. Not a family member or anyone else for that matter. I couldn't give a rat's ass if someone defrauds the "state", whether it be benefits or tax. The "state" is happy to lie, cheat, defraud and generally **** over anyone it can so it will get no help from me.

I find it particularly funny some of left-leaners on here would obviously be well up for grassing. Unfortunately Stasi Britannia isn't a career option since the last election. That must be galling.

Your so **** right !

[privateer]

I find it particularly funny some of left-leaners on here would obviously be well up for grassing.

And some 'right slanters' seem to be, too.

Not sure there's much to be gained from making it some kind of right/left thing, mate.

Unfortunately Stasi Britannia isn't a career option since the last election.

You ought to pay a little more attention to some of the coalition's crap then, Rich.

Oh, don't misunderstand me on that. I'm fully aware that some 'right slanters' will be just as rabid in their denunciation of such things, in fact I would expect it. I'm not trying to make a left right thing out of it though.

My point was I found it amusing that people who seem to espouse the "stick it to the man if he ain't Labour and let's get ourselves a socialist Utopia" philosophy become purse-mouthed fascists when their sense of morality is offended. Then again, I'm used to unbridled hypocrisy from such types. And, no, I do not have you in that category. You are invariably consistent in your views, which are well thought out and informed.

As for paying attention to the coalition crap, I haven't. Most of the last year I've been abroad and I've paid little attention. It is my intention to spend the next year doing more of the same.

However, I can be relied upon to pop on here periodically to take a pop at words removed, asshats and hypocrites, though!

[legov]

Benefit fraud?

No such thing as unemployment benefits in this country.

[wiggyrichard]

Nope, I **** wouldn't. Not a family member or anyone else for that matter. I couldn't give a rat's ass if someone defrauds the "state", whether it be benefits or tax. The "state" is happy to lie, cheat, defraud and generally **** over anyone it can so it will get no help from me.

I find it particularly funny some of left-leaners on here would obviously be well up for grassing. Unfortunately Stasi Britannia isn't a career option since the last election. That must be galling.

Your so **** right !

[TrentVilla]

So, what is the maximum size screen TV permitted for the unemployed (or a benefit claimant) and does it need to be (or need not to be) LCD, LED or Plasma?

This thread needs clarity.

Black and white and no more than 14" it should where possible be one of the old ones that you have a dial on which to find channels rather than buttons.

[wiggyrichard]

What a perfect little bubble some people live in.

I sure as hell wouldnt want to be in the trenches with some of you lot.

Save yourself or die trying to look after your "pals"? Tell my wife and kid i love them when you get back home.

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

[TrentVilla]

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

To be honest I'd rather hope I did a good enough job bringing them up not to have to ever think about it. :winkold:

[wiggyrichard]

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

To be honest I'd rather hope I did a good enough job bringing them up not to have to ever think about it. :winkold:

I agree, i too would like to think i'd never be in the situation.

[Stevo985]

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

I don' think anyone would.

And if they did, there would have to be something seriously wrong with the father/child relationship for that to happen.

As BOF said, it would be done because of spite/revenge/dislike. I don't believe, assuming a typical father/child relationship (ie a good one), that anyone would snitch on their child for that purely out of a moral obligation.

Try and make them stop, of course. Talk them out of it, and maybe even threaten to tell the police. But actually turning them in? I struggle to believe anyone would.

[kidlewis]

I think the issue is some of these proles are unemployable anyway.

you only need to look at them and their attiude to look after themselves that gives clear indications entrusting them with a job would be like putting a toddler in a room full of staffies.

I think a fair few of them are happy with the lifestyle they lead. They have enough to survive and buy the odd luxuries like Sky and a bit of beer and the bookies. Food and clothing for the kids from Tescos and possible a bit of cash in hand on the sly.

I think the majority do want to work and better their sutaiton, however the system has been a mess for years and without jumping to a salary which is bringing in more money than the benefits offer (something that is a lot) then what is the point of them working for no financial benefit.

obviously there is routine, self esteem, pride and setting a good example to your family and kids but I think quite a few of long term benefits don't see that.

If I was a business man I would be setting up off a new super store called NewsAgentOffLicenseBookies adjacent to every job centre and job centre plus in the country.

[wiggyrichard]

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

I don' think anyone would.

And if they did, there would have to be something seriously wrong with the father/child relationship for that to happen.

As BOF said, it would be done because of spite/revenge/dislike. I don't believe, assuming a typical father/child relationship (ie a good one), that anyone would snitch on their child for that purely out of a moral obligation.

Try and make them stop, of course. Talk them out of it, and maybe even threaten to tell the police. But actually turning them in? I struggle to believe anyone would.

Judging by some of the posts on this thread, i wouldnt be so sure mate. :|

From my perspective loyalty and 'blood' doesn't really come in to it at all.

[ender4]

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

some of you in this thread astound me.

no morals whatsoever.

if i had shoplifted as a child, my parents would have probably killed me and buried me under the porch (slight exaggeration, but only slight!).

I knew boundaries, and therefore would never have even thought of shoplifting.

That's part of what keeps our family tight (immediate family & large extended family). We would die for each other, but we all know which boundaries should not be crossed and what the consequences of crossing those boundaries are.

The OP's dilemma is based on someone doing much worse that walking into a shop and stealing a TV. They are basically walking into that shop, and stealing a TV every week, week after week, continously forever.

The fact that people even think that they shouldn't stop someone from stealing each week just leaves me disgusted.

No wonder this country is morally collapsing, nobody cares about their community anymore.

I know we don't live in small villages anymore, but people should still try and help their community, not just shrug if someone is doing something bad in their community.

[legov]

No wonder this country is morally collapsing, nobody cares about their community anymore.

[Wainy316]

Who do you love more, your family or the state?

[Stevo985]

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

some of you in this thread astound me.

no morals whatsoever.

if i had shoplifted as a child, my parents would have probably killed me and buried me under the porch (slight exaggeration, but only slight!).

I knew boundaries, and therefore would never have even thought of shoplifting.

That's part of what keeps our family tight (immediate family & large extended family). We would die for each other, but we all know which boundaries should not be crossed and what the consequences of crossing those boundaries are.

The OP's dilemma is based on someone doing much worse that walking into a shop and stealing a TV. They are basically walking into that shop, and stealing a TV every week, week after week, continously forever.

The fact that people even think that they shouldn't stop someone from stealing each week just leaves me disgusted.

No wonder this country is morally collapsing, nobody cares about their community anymore.

I know we don't live in small villages anymore, but people should still try and help their community, not just shrug if someone is doing something bad in their community.

But you still haven't answered the question.

I don't think anyone is debating that we'd al llike our kids to NOT do these things.

And if they did, you'd give them hell for it. You'd try and make them stop.

But that isn't the same as actually turning them over to the authorities.

[Jon]

No wonder this country is morally collapsing, nobody cares about their community anymore.

Not sure what your laughing smiley is meant to indicate, but Ender4 makes a very valid point here.

In fact, many valid points

[Stevo985]

I ask some of the moral titans on here, would you shop your own son or daughter for lets say, benefit fraud, shop-lifting or tax evasion?

I don' think anyone would.

And if they did, there would have to be something seriously wrong with the father/child relationship for that to happen.

As BOF said, it would be done because of spite/revenge/dislike. I don't believe, assuming a typical father/child relationship (ie a good one), that anyone would snitch on their child for that purely out of a moral obligation.

Try and make them stop, of course. Talk them out of it, and maybe even threaten to tell the police. But actually turning them in? I struggle to believe anyone would.

Judging by some of the posts on this thread, i wouldnt be so sure mate. :|

From my perspective loyalty and 'blood' doesn't really come in to it at all.

I'd wager, and there's no way to prove it, that actually faced with the situation, they wouldn't do it.

And that doesn't mean I don't think they'd try and make that family member stop, or that i think they have no morals and let everyone do what they want.

And they can counter with the "I'd bring my kids up the right way so they wouldn't do that", that's fine. We'd all like that.

But assuming all that is true, actually faced with the situation, I don't think they'd do it.

[Voinjama]

To be honest the UK is not collapsing. It is in a very good state.

[Wainy316]

The moralists say some pretty extreme stuff. What are morals, but a man made set of rules anyway. Surely not more important than a loved one?

I don't believe anyone would shop their own child much like I don't believe they'd refuse greenlight torturing a 'terroist' to save their child.