Wainy316 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Their ridiculously over the top, misplaced Scottish pride will see them vote in favour of independence I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 They would crumble as an independent state IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Didn't Australia vote to keep Brenda? People don't like change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2014 Their ridiculously over the top, misplaced Scottish pride will see them vote in favour of independence I reckon.Not one poll has suggested this yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I can see why the idea of breaking away from the UK appeals to many in Scotland. The 'UK' government has for many years now simply represented a south east, london centric elite. A break away from that, not just for Scotch-land but any northern region, could seem appealing. I just don't think it would work,a nd could have disastrous consequences for them. For that reason, I don't think they'll go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I don't think it would be that bad. They'll muddle along and just about manage like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I hope it goes ahead. If only for the fact it might end all the nonsense about Celtic and Rangers joining the Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Darien scheme It seems that the whole notion of nationhood and the artificial iconography of shortbread and tartan, which was imposed upon the Scottish by the Prince of Wales, has distracted them from the truth; that their enemies are not those defined by nationality, but by class and money. Scotland is already a rich country and certainly richer than the West Midlands, and independence will not lead to a mass conversion of the haves into people who will want to share their money with the have-nots. Whether it was the above mentioned Darien scheme or the land clearances, it was the rich who sold Scotland's independence for thirty pieces of silver, and perpetrated the ethic-cleansing which were the Highland clearances. The same people still possess their stolen assets and have perpetuated the built-in inequality over centuries and which still remains the worst Europe. These people are not patriots in any sense which will stop them moving their assets to other areas of the global economy if it suits them. They may not burn your cottage down these days but they certainly can destroy the economic base which employment depends upon. The Scottish should no more trust Salmond than they should Cameron. One makes promises he cannot deliver and the other is just a toff with some PR training and with highly visible class interests. The Scottish should vote for devolution-max, which keeps the security of the union but provides enough freedom to tweak an unfair system. Edited February 17, 2014 by MakemineVanilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 The Scottish should no more trust Salmond than they should Cameron. One makes promises he cannot deliver and the other is just a toff with some PR training and with highly visible class interests. Aye. Which one is which again? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 17, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2014 Darien scheme It seems that the whole notion of nationhood and the artificial iconography of shortbread and tartan, which was imposed upon the Scottish by the Prince of Wales, has distracted them from the truth; that their enemies are not those defined by nationality, but by class and money. Scotland is already a rich country and certainly richer than the West Midlands, and independence will not lead to a mass conversion of the haves into people who will want to share their money with the have-nots. Whether it was the above mentioned Darien scheme or the land clearances, it was the rich who sold Scotland's independence for thirty pieces of silver, and perpetrated the ethic-cleansing which were the Highland clearances. The same people still possess their stolen assets and have perpetuated the built-in inequality over centuries and which still remains the worst Europe. These people are not patriots in any sense which will stop them moving their assets to other areas of the global economy if it suits them. They may not burn your cottage down these days but they certainly can destroy the economic base which employment depends upon. The Scottish should no more trust Salmond than they should Cameron. One makes promises he cannot deliver and the other is just a toff with some PR training and with highly visible class interests. The Scottish should vote for devolution-max, which keeps the security of the union but provides enough freedom to tweak an unfair system. Spot on with your first sentence MMV. As for your last sentence, it's not on the ballot so not an option. Funny that eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 In the event of a Scottish vote for independence, we could see millions of EU citizens stripped of their citizenship against their own will. I'm not sure how that will sit in the world of human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Can't we just sell Scotland? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ahh just give it to them, if they don't get it they'll only keep trying anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 17, 2014 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2014 In the event of a Scottish vote for independence, we could see millions of EU citizens stripped of their citizenship against their own will.I'm not sure how that will sit in the world of human rights.They will have voted for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) In the event of a Scottish vote for independence, we could see millions of EU citizens stripped of their citizenship against their own will.I'm not sure how that will sit in the world of human rights.They will have voted for it I get that. But if it were a 60/40 majority, then around 3 million wouldn't have voted for it. If a 60/40 majority is taken as a yes result. Edited February 17, 2014 by thetrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Instead of the Scots breaking away, can't we all just get together and agree to declare Westminster independent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Didn't they ask groups of 16 year olds how they would vote? I think the majority voted No. If the Scottish people really want "independence" it would be achieved in a very different way. Edited February 17, 2014 by GENTLEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted February 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2014 The SNP position regarding Sterling, the EU, the Monarchy et al. can be summarised thus: We want to have our cake, eat our cake, have you pay for our cake, then eat a big chunk of your cake. If you don't agree then you're all bullying, blustering wee Eenglish b'stards and we're calling in Mel Gibson. Any Scot who votes for that shower of shoite deserves exactly what they get, imho. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted February 17, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2014 I think, to be fair, most Scots realise that a vote for independence is not the same as a vote for the SNP. If they end up breaking away the SNP will be a fringe party at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I think, to be fair, most Scots realise that a vote for independence is not the same as a vote for the SNP. If they end up breaking away the SNP will be a fringe party at best. I meant in the context of the referendum but I agree they'll be a fringe party, if they succeed in destroying not just the Union but Scottish prosperity as well. The idea that the remainder of the UK is going to underwrite the government spending, economy and banking sector of a foreign country through currency union is ludicrous beyond belief. The fact that this is the central policy of the SNP for the future economic prosperity of Scotland simply underlines what a bunch of deluded dog fondlers they really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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