OnlyOne Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 i used to have a ST in the holte, but then i took an arrow in the knee I keep seeing that Skyrim reference everywhere now. I mean just recently someone said the same with Heskey and his 'shot'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Two thirds would not renew because of the manager. Now that's quite a scary statistic for Messrs Lerner and Faulkner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Yes, because i am a Villa Fan, and i have seen plenty of Villa mansgers worse than AMc in my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Yes, because i am a Villa Fan, and i have seen plenty of Villa mansgers worse than AMc in my time. In some ways youre right. Graham Turner was the worse manager I have ever seen. - Yet even in his first season - I still hoped he was young manager learning his trade - who could eventually go on to better things - I was wrong - but there was that hope. But with Mcleish - I don't see any glimmer - 2 relegation with blues - and last years blues squad had some reasonable players - Larson, Dann, Foster. Worringly both relegations with blues - they looked to be ok - but got in a downward spiral which the manager couldn't halt. The fayre on display at VP under mcleish has been consistently poor - in days gone by, a horror like bolton would be followed by at least an improved performance next time. But so far this season Norwich has been the only match worth the money paid. ............and i reckon Mcleish is less secure than people reckon, I have a feeling even bozo faulkner recognises the error now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 ............and i reckon Mcleish is less secure than people reckon, I have a feeling even bozo faulkner recognises the error now.I would love it if you were right, but what are you basing this on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 ............and i reckon Mcleish is less secure than people reckon, I have a feeling even bozo faulkner recognises the error now.I would love it if you were right, but what are you basing this on? Nothing more than a hunch mate :cry: I do feel though that villa have been lambasted in the national press on more than one occasion, and there seems a groundswell against him - unlike anythink i have know in 40 years following villa. I really wouldn't be surprised if the Hughes to villa rumours don't start this side of christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 7, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2011 The figures in this poll are obviously not an accurate reflection of the wider fan base, it has probably been voted on by countless non ST's but I can't ever recall seeing a poll like it. If it were even 50% accurate the club should be pretty concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted December 7, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2011 For a club supposedly in crisis with some fans looking at protesting I think the number of those bothering to vote is as embarrassing as the idea of protesting. I looked in expecting to see hundreds of vote and its barely 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 For a club supposedly in crisis with some fans looking at protesting I think the number of those bothering to vote is as embarrassing as the idea of protesting. I looked in expecting to see hundreds of vote and its barely 1. 103 = barely 1??? I'm guessing math was not your strongest subject? :winkold: The only thing that is embarrassing in this thread is a few fans constant denial of the significance of the problem we have currently which appears to largely stem from our anti-football manager. You might not see him continuing as an issue - and that is clearly your prerogative - but to deny there is an issue and not many Villa fans have a problem with McLeish smacks of "head in the sand". You know its bad when even Makouns Grin is starting to suggest McLeish should f*** off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted December 8, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 8, 2011 Err I expected hundreds and there is barely 1 as in one hundred singular! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 8, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 8, 2011 Which perhaps a reflection of the number of ST holders on the site though Lancs rather than anything else. The poll asks for only ST holders to vote and it looks like people have followed that request as compared to the number of responses poll's normally get this one is low. It is fairly logical a site like this will always attract fans that little bit further away from VP than the suburbs of Birmingham, just look at us mods for example not one of us still live in Birmingham. I personally never bothered with fans sites when I lived back home because I didn't feel so removed from the club and the rest of the fan base because I worked and socialised with other Villa fans, when you move away its different. I would imagine this site has a fairly low proportion of ST holders to memembers, take a look at how busy the match day threads are. So personally given that this poll is directed specifically at ST holders I'm not really that surprised the turn out is lower than normal. The fact it is kind of suggest that non season ticket holders haven't voted which only makes it more accurate. So it might only be just over 1 hundred but when 70% of them say that they aren't going to renew their season ticket, that to me should be of concern to the club. Now obviously its easy to say one thing and do another, especially when we are so far away from the renewal dates but it is suggestive that if ST figures didn't drop significantly this season they may well do next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holtelower Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I must admit , it is a bit of an empty threat as I almost certainly wont follow it through (at the moment) but if we lose against Bolton, as I expect we will, I will be telephoning the ticket office on Monday morning (as I am off) to ask if I can return my season ticket, and how much money I would receive. I suggest all season ticket holders do the same. I would imagine if about 5000 people suddenly ring up asking to return tickets, the message might just get through to the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 We all think that fan support is very important on matchday, but how important is ticket money to the club? For example - if a ST costs £500, and (assuming) we have been paying Beye £40k a week (plus the usual on-costs), bringing that up to about £45k a week of costs - we spend the money of 4,680 STs per season on him! Adding a company car, if 5,000 people don't renew, we can't have Habib Beye! I know it may be an odd way of looking at it (I am an Accountant), but losing a few thousand ST holders is relatively small in the clubs turnover, and the publicity may lead to more Sky games - making up for the loss (seen Blackburn on the box recently?). If you think the club don't care about you - perhaps your right, and perhaps it's because they don't acutally need to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I do feel though that villa have been lambasted in the national press on more than one occasion, and there seems a groundswell against him - unlike anythink i have know in 40 years following villa. This is, I feel, an important point and one that shouldn't deter supporters from notions of protest. In other circumstances, fans would be rightly accused of impatience and unrealistic expectations to be taking against a manager so soon and to such an extent - but our televised matches so far this season have offered ample evidence of why we didn't want McLeish in the first place and why we have no desire to give him any more time in the role. Journalists, pundits and preenters alike have all been vocally critical to the point where there even seems to be growing sympathy among the national press for Villa fans - something that I never thought I'd see. Lerner and Faulkner won't act of their own volition so we as supporters need to make life as uncomfortable as possible for all concerned until action is taken. And I say that as someone who is normally quite conservative when it comes to these things and was prepared to give him a chance to prove people wrong. But my anger and frustration is just building and buolding with every visit to VP this season and I can't shake the feeling that I've been well and truly conned out of my money when I purchased my season ticket (which was before the sales of both Young and Downing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazvfc Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Why the F***g hell would I not renew??? I support (and have supported) Aston Villa FC for 50 years and have done so REGARDLESS of Manager,Chairman,shit form, good form, indifferent form. It is in my blood - I'd support them even in the lower echelons as I did before and will do again (if god forbid) that should ever happen! It's your choice (but I suspect this next bit will have you all getting your guns out to shoot me) BUT I always thought Villa Fans weren't the kind who would desert the club all because of a dislike for the manager and the brand of football! Me - I'd never desert the club - never did before never will now - regardless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Why the F***g hell would I not renew??? I support (and have supported) Aston Villa FC for 50 years and have done so REGARDLESS of Manager,Chairman,shit form, good form, indifferent form. It is in my blood - I'd support them even in the lower echelons as I did before and will do again (if god forbid) that should ever happen! It's your choice (but I suspect this next bit will have you all getting your guns out to shoot me) BUT I always thought Villa Fans weren't the kind who would desert the club all because of a dislike for the manager and the brand of football! Me - I'd never desert the club - never did before never will now - regardless! Whilst I appreciate your enthusiasm and admire your stance, deserting the Club is not the same as protesting against its mismanagement. Deserting the Club would entail turning one's back entirely and I think it's clear just from the number of people who post on this forum that, whatever their opinion of the current state of things, devote a significant amount of their time to all matters that concern the Club because they care. Blindly following every word uttered and every action taken by those in charge of the Club is not doing anyone any good. It's right to question and it's right to challenge and the fact is that the loyalty of many has been seriously taken advantage of in recent months. The Club is relying on the steadfast loyalty of those for whom the ritual of attending is too great to easily cease doing and it is that loyalty that is the only thing keeping money coming into the Club at present (with the exception of Sky). If you want the Club to be all that it can be and if you want the Club to listen to and respect the very people that keep it alive, then you need to be asking questions as to what exactly is going on at present. For many, deciding not to go to matches or not renew their season ticket is a painful decision and not one taken lightly. As things stand, I relented and purchased mine during the summer in the hope that the extreme reservations about McLeish's appointment might just be overturned. The reality has confirmed for everyone that was against the appointment precisely why he shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near to even being considered for the post. Next summer, if McLeish is still here we will know what lies ahead. There will be no fanciful hoping that results and performances may be better than expected because the man either has no intention or simply isn't capable of producing a style of football any different to what we are currently suffering through. As much as it will pain me, I will not renew again and hope that this, the final act of tangible protest available to any supporter, will finally be heard by the Club. I will always want the best for the Club - as does every single forum member posting here. But we may have to go against our Club so that it might re-emerge from this state of purgatory in which it is presently mired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Perhaps the plan is to get the club to Ground Zero so that we can then start a new 5 year "Phoenix from the ashes" type plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Why the F***g hell would I not renew??? I support (and have supported) Aston Villa FC for 50 years and have done so REGARDLESS of Manager,Chairman,shit form, good form, indifferent form. It is in my blood - I'd support them even in the lower echelons as I did before and will do again (if god forbid) that should ever happen! It's your choice (but I suspect this next bit will have you all getting your guns out to shoot me) BUT I always thought Villa Fans weren't the kind who would desert the club all because of a dislike for the manager and the brand of football! Me - I'd never desert the club - never did before never will now - regardless! This! It's at time's like this the club needs supporters. If I somehow knew we'd lose every game next season, I'd still renew and I'd still love listening to the early game on the radio, waiting for the team line up announcement, walking up the Holte steps, reading through the programme, putting a bet on, getting a pint and some grub, getting angry at the ref, singing at the top of my voice, my heart in my throat when we come close to scoring. You know? The matchday experience. Some numpty in charge for a probably a few seasons max isn't gonna take that away from me. I've been a Villa fan for 18 years, season ticket holder for 4. A very short time compared to some, but one thing I've learnt for sure is that staff will come and go, the fans are there for life (well...should be). That goes from chairmen to managers, training staff to players. If there's one thing that any football club is, it's it's fans. In short, with finances and living situations pending, I'm hoping to be a season ticket for life. Villa till I die, these feckers aren't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Well for me, aside to hating the choice of manager, I had other very much more important things to do on the weekends so I didnt renew this season. However, it seems that a lot of other people didnt renew and a space became available next to my mate that hasnt been available for a very long time. The important weekend stuff is done now and even though the football is worse than I imagined and i hate the manager more than I did then I'm getting a half season ticket at christmas. I dont see any sign of things improving into next year but I wont want to lose this seat so I probably will renew again next season...against my better judgement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I don't think anybody can complain about the cost relative to other season tickets but I'd understand if they didn't renew due to the football. The only way a fan can really protest in this day and age is with his or her wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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