Follyfoot Posted November 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 16, 2022 5 hours ago, PaulC said: Harry and his dodgy dealings maybe. No that was wosie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 8 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: 18 mil for young seems crazy low. Last year of his deal, could've sold him for about 25-30m in 2010 but very bad optics to sell him the same summer as Milner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 He must be exhausted as it seems he is doing about 2 podcasts a day trying to sell his book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 50 minutes ago, Zatman said: He must be exhausted as it seems he is doing about 2 podcasts a day trying to sell his book Only listened to the Kendrick one and when he popped up on Talksport this week. I assume he's saying the same stuff in all of them e.g. endless Clough ancedotes. I'd love someone to actually ask him why he played all of Reo-Coker, Mellberg, Cuellar, Craig Gardner and even Milner at RB instead of the actual RBs we had at the club but guess he'd walk out of the interview if anyone dared bring that up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Only listened to the Kendrick one and when he popped up on Talksport this week. I assume he's saying the same stuff in all of them e.g. endless Clough ancedotes. I'd love someone to actually ask him why he played all of Reo-Coker, Mellberg, Cuellar, Craig Gardner and even Milner at RB instead of the actual RBs we had at the club but guess he'd walk out of the interview if anyone dared bring that up. I refuse to click on them but he is on the Paul McGrath podcast and the Foster podcast today He will get an easy ride so no point listening to them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 So after watching 2 Martin O'Neill interviews this week I can safely say that man is a Saint and anybody who says a cross word against him i will fight in the streets. Bring him home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Heard him on WM two days ago, saying how he first met Herbert and he was wearing full tennis gear. Then said he'd been called "Deadly Doug" because he was always firing managers. Couldn't even get that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 19, 2022 4 hours ago, rjw63 said: Heard him on WM two days ago, saying how he first met Herbert and he was wearing full tennis gear. Then said he'd been called "Deadly Doug" because he was always firing managers. Couldn't even get that right. Yeah, something fishy about that story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 17/11/2022 at 20:19, VillaChris said: Only listened to the Kendrick one and when he popped up on Talksport this week. I assume he's saying the same stuff in all of them e.g. endless Clough ancedotes. I'd love someone to actually ask him why he played all of Reo-Coker, Mellberg, Cuellar, Craig Gardner and even Milner at RB instead of the actual RBs we had at the club but guess he'd walk out of the interview if anyone dared bring that up. I have PTSD remembering this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Pure cringe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 In hindsight going to Celtic was the wrong career move. Beforehand he was seen as a young and up coming manager. At Celtic I think he started to believe his own hype and became a legend in his own lunchtime in a 2 horse league, with Rangers already on the decline. He stopped developing as a manager and when he came to Villa he felt he should be treated as Clough's lovechild when in fact he was miles away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: In hindsight going to Celtic was the wrong career move. Beforehand he was seen as a young and up coming manager. At Celtic I think he started to believe his own hype and became a legend in his own lunchtime in a 2 horse league, with Rangers already on the decline. He stopped developing as a manager and when he came to Villa he felt he should be treated as Clough's lovechild when in fact he was miles away from that. He did get Celtic to the Europa League final, beating some good sides on the way, including Liverpool, Stuttgart and Celta Vigo. He lost the final in extra time to Jose Mourinho’s Porto (who won the Champions League the year after). That’s is a pretty good achievement for a manager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: In hindsight going to Celtic was the wrong career move. Beforehand he was seen as a young and up coming manager. At Celtic I think he started to believe his own hype and became a legend in his own lunchtime in a 2 horse league, with Rangers already on the decline. He stopped developing as a manager and when he came to Villa he felt he should be treated as Clough's lovechild when in fact he was miles away from that. And yet delivered us regular European football (okay we blew most of the chances in the qualifying stages but still) and had us on the brink of being the club to break the (at the time) established top 4. He may well have had delusions beyond his stature, I don’t know, I don’t know the man personally to make that judgement but for all the other factors (walking out on us, signing too many average players for above average fees and wages etc etc), the fact is that he’s been easily our best performing manager of the past 25 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: And yet delivered us regular European football (okay we blew most of the chances in the qualifying stages but still) and had us on the brink of being the club to break the (at the time) established top 4. He may well have had delusions beyond his stature, I don’t know, I don’t know the man personally to make that judgement but for all the other factors (walking out on us, signing too many average players for above average fees and wages etc etc), the fact is that he’s been easily our best performing manager of the past 25 years or so. He had a massive budget and it was our chance to join the elite which we blew it. He did barely more than what John Gregory did at Villa but with a better press coverage. In fact Gregory actually had a better win percentage. He did a decent job but it could have been more. What I was trying to say earlier is that he wasn't really pushed at Celtic and did not change his tactics at all in his entire managerial career. Which was basically 4-4-2 with a solid defence, two good centre mids, proper wingers and a big man and quick striker playing off him. Even by the mid 2000's this was going out of fashion. The true greats of management can adapt and change, which he failed to do imo. Edited December 15, 2022 by The Fun Factory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 4 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: In hindsight going to Celtic was the wrong career move. Beforehand he was seen as a young and up coming manager. At Celtic I think he started to believe his own hype and became a legend in his own lunchtime in a 2 horse league, with Rangers already on the decline. He stopped developing as a manager and when he came to Villa he felt he should be treated as Clough's lovechild when in fact he was miles away from that. Going to Celtic didn't do Brendan Rodgers any harm after poor end to his Liverpool spell. Good point was made in the months MON left us. If he'd hung around another two years and kept us around 6th/7th he'd have been massively in the shake up for Man. United job given Moyes got it on a very similar record and Ferguson had plenty of respect for MON from interviews so I get the feeling he'd have recommended him aswell and left it up to the board to decide. But O'Neill then getting sacked at Sunderland ended all hopes he had of another top job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 13 hours ago, The_Steve said: Pure cringe Nah, it was correct of him to leave. Lerner turned off the tap and had no ambitions for the club left. As ridiculous as it sounds it was an absolute necessity to get relegated in order for the club to move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 21 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Nah, it was correct of him to leave. Lerner turned off the tap and had no ambitions for the club left. As ridiculous as it sounds it was an absolute necessity to get relegated in order for the club to move forward. He turned off the tap because his money was being wasted 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Saw an interview clip with Collins praising MON but was absolutely damning. Very little training and worked on nothing technical but told him and Dunne to head anything away near the 6 yard box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 34 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Nah, it was correct of him to leave. Lerner turned off the tap and had no ambitions for the club left. As ridiculous as it sounds it was an absolute necessity to get relegated in order for the club to move forward. MON wasted alot of money so its not all lerners fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 It was Lerners fault for giving the manager a free rein. We had no strategy or structure in the club back then. There was no club philosophy. A director of football would have been a huge help. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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