villa4europe Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: He was really never good. no he seemed to go from raw with lots of potential to be great to going really quiet to then almost disappearing to coming back as not as good as he could have been maybe because of CL appearances / Russian games and then CSKA dropping out the CL and Russia going a bit shit edit - me asking if they all stayed too long in Russia, apparently CSKA are really good payers hence why some of them never ventured west Edited July 22, 2019 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 He has some Champions League record. Its either most goals conceded or most games without a clean sheet. He was dire in tournaments for them Russian players are bad travellers in recent times. They dont seem to integrate, can only think of Izmailov who played so long abroad as dont count Cheryshev as he is half Spanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Zatman said: He has some Champions League record. Its either most goals conceded or most games without a clean sheet. He was dire in tournaments for them Russian players are bad travellers in recent times. They dont seem to integrate, can only think of Izmailov who played so long abroad as dont count Cheryshev as he is half Spanish 11 years without a CL clean sheet. And they're pretty regular in that competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartc445 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: I don't know, we were essentially losing the tie (on away goals) with our first XI from the first leg. We'd have done well to get through CSKA. Not suggesting I agree with throwing in the towel, that's as bad a decision any Villa manager will ever make. It was the Zilina and Hamburg games where he screwed things up once again by playing the reserves had we taken those games seriously then we would have avoided CSKA and played someone either nec nijmegen or another team i can't remember the name of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 The thing is we were more dangerous away so would probably have got at least one away goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 hours ago, villa4europe said: like I said strange team from CSKA that, vagner love had a decent record in Russia and got himself some brazil caps but never went on to do anything of note, akinfeev was touted as one of the highest potential keepers in Europe, dzagoev was their jack grealish (hopefully jacks star doesn't die out like his has) they had the 3 national team CBs, not sure if some of them just stayed too long rather than moving to the big leagues, the thing being CSKA aren't even the biggest team in Moscow and zenit / rubin were better teams at the time krasic went on to play for juve, zhirkov left that summer for Chelsea, Daniel Carvalho disappeared back to brazil My favourite from that group was Krasic, honestly thought he'd go onto be a top level player in Serie A when he went to Juve. Not least because he looked like Pavel Nedved. Ball was glued to his feet at times at VP. Flopped there and last I heard he's been playing in Polish league last few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Looks like he is coming out the wood work again talking about his time at villa He said in the times he had 3 top 6 finishes delivering european football and wanted to push for champions league. He then says should have been more focused on than that then fighting with people. Cheers martin. You absolutely ruined your legacy with us at the timing of your resignation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Cheers martin. You absolutely ruined your legacy with us at the timing of your resignation. I think it was ruined before that, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, AvonVillain said: I think it was ruined before that, mate. Was he that unpopular before he quit? I dont think he was. Certainly not as bad as o leary, mcleish etc. The fans turned on him quitying the way he did 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 I still wonder where we might have been with a better manager than MON during that time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jono62 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Can you imagine looking at Falcao at that time and thinking 'Nah, get me Heskey'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted February 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) The best period of football we ever had since I was a kid in the 90’s under BFR/Little/Gregory so I’ll always thank him for those memories when we were pushing for top 4/CL but we could have had so much more had he not had his favourites, rotated more, didn’t fold so easy in the Europa (those Rapid Vienna games were so frustrating!) and pushed on in the transfer market instead of signing the likes of **** Heskey. Then him quitting (I blame him for being cowardly but I also think some of it was him realising Lerner was a clearing who was about to go and ruin the club) just tarnished everything. Together our legacy could have been oh so much more than it ended up being. A great time but bittersweet on reflection. Edited February 6, 2022 by Ingram85 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Still our most successful manager this century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, NoelVilla said: I still wonder where we might have been with a better manager than MON during that time. Champions League for certain. He really should have qualified with the budget he was handed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 I was furious at the timing with his resignation, but with what went on after him in the Lerner era, it's hard to blame him, he knew what was coming. I agree though, we should have done much better with the resources at his disposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, Jono62 said: Can you imagine looking at Falcao at that time and thinking 'Nah, get me Heskey'. Or believing Zat Knight was a better prospect than Gary Cahill. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: Or believing Zat Knight was a better prospect than Gary Cahill. That is very very damning when spelt out like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoelVilla said: I still wonder where we might have been with a better manager than MON during that time. I think we should have sacked him after we sacrificed the Uefa Cup and then bottled 4th place. 2009 was the time when we should have tried to adopt a modern system of operating the football club. The higher up the league you go, the more ruthless you have to become. Edited February 6, 2022 by Villa_Vids 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 All hype over substance in the end. It obviously didn't seem like it at the time, but it was an era defining mistake that eventually led to relegation. I don't know what more evidence people want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, sidcow said: That is very very damning when spelt out like that. He was a short termist. He had a 12 month rolling contract, everything was built on sand under him. Not entirely all his fault but I think he failed to deliver when everything is considered. If he had won a trophy or finished 4th you will have to say "objective complete". Being pedantic, you could say we stood still for three seasons too. I think MON would admit that he did not achieve what he wanted during his spell. My issue is - MON's achievements should have been viewed as a building block for the club, not the pinnacle. Oh well, his time at the club is consigned to the past. I try to view the good in his reign. I remember the buzz when he first arrived. The relative success he brought to the club. Obviously being considered by the wider footballing community to be a challenger, which I would like to think has some benefits in the modern day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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