NowDoINotLikeThat Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Its a far cry from the type of football Houllier was building at the club.That's about the only thing to be thankful for. IIRC, Hoiullier delivered us two 0-1 defeats against Sunderland last season.Not saying Houllier was some great manager, but I really don't see how we can be thankful that Houllier is gone and McLeish is in because so far we haven't imrpoved at all. The loss/change of manager is not the problem. We lost Young and Downing. Thats the problem. Losing Young and Downing were big big losses . Our summer transfer window was shambles (signing Given aside) . But appointing McLeish was always a very dumb thing to do. There was plenty of actually available ppl around as well! I still don't know why or how we ever appointed him . What a **** brainwave of Randy's . It was bloody obvious what the football was going to be like under him. No one wanted him here and whilst he hasn't done terribly result wise playing **** Heskey in midfield and not being able to organise the defense for set plays is hardly going to endeer him to ppl any time soon We play like Birmingham did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 They need to double there training sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villadude Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 The thing is, most of our players are just not good enough to get to the level we want to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I'm getting a lot of stick from Mackem mates about Gabby diving for the freekick leading to the second goal. Anything in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Its a far cry from the type of football Houllier was building at the club.That's about the only thing to be thankful for. IIRC, Hoiullier delivered us two 0-1 defeats against Sunderland last season.Not saying Houllier was some great manager, but I really don't see how we can be thankful that Houllier is gone and McLeish is in because so far we haven't imrpoved at all. The loss/change of manager is not the problem. We lost Young and Downing. Thats the problem. Of course losing Young and Downing has hit us hard, especially because we haven't bought adequate replacements. But losing them doesn't excuse the abysmal loss of concentration during every **** set piece and the inability to hold on to a lead for longer than five seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Its a far cry from the type of football Houllier was building at the club.That's about the only thing to be thankful for. IIRC, Hoiullier delivered us two 0-1 defeats against Sunderland last season.Not saying Houllier was some great manager, but I really don't see how we can be thankful that Houllier is gone and McLeish is in because so far we haven't imrpoved at all. The loss/change of manager is not the problem. We lost Young and Downing. Thats the problem. Of course losing Young and Downing has hit us hard, especially because we haven't bought adequate replacements. But losing them doesn't excuse the abysmal loss of concentration during every **** set piece and the inability to hold on to a lead for longer than five seconds.Indeed. It just seems like the team's natural reaction to scoring a goal is to concede, even more now than ever before. When we score I actually don't get that excited anymore because I know it's an almost certainty that we'll concede again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Not long back. Conceding late was obviously a kick in the bollocks but having had time to reflect on the game on the way back I thought we did well and deserved the 3 points and would have had them had Bent not had another nightmare in front of goal. Stan was man of the match. Another great strike, set up the second and his all round game was excellent. I am confident McLeish will iron out the defensive errors and if Bent can also get his act together then we'll be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I am confident McLeish will iron out the defensive errorsWhat makes you confident of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I am confident McLeish will iron out the defensive errorsWhat makes you confident of that? He doesn't have an abundance of them but a strong point of McLeish is that he knows how to organise a defence. Blues were shit last season but still had a better defensive record than us and in his only other full season managing in the Prem they had a very good defensive record. Its further up the park that McLeish's where with all worries me. Although that would be helped if Bent wasn't playing so poorly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 How did Heard play today? Why is he in the first team above other player - Albrighton ect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I am confident McLeish will iron out the defensive errorsWhat makes you confident of that? He doesn't have an abundance of them but a strong point of McLeish is that he knows how to organise a defence. Blues were shit last season but still had a better defensive record than us and in his only other full season managing in the Prem they had a very good defensive record. Its further up the park that McLeish's where with all worries me. Although that would be helped if Bent wasn't playing so poorly Def agree - A lot of the top managers have decent Background staff - Mclesih does not really have this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Did not think we were that bad on MOTD. My case to bring back King Carlos could not be more highlighted. Hutton was loose today - bring back Carlos at right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I am confident McLeish will iron out the defensive errorsWhat makes you confident of that? He doesn't have an abundance of them but a strong point of McLeish is that he knows how to organise a defence. Blues were shit last season but still had a better defensive record than us and in his only other full season managing in the Prem they had a very good defensive record. Its further up the park that McLeish's where with all worries me. Although that would be helped if Bent wasn't playing so poorlyIf he knows how to organise a defence then how come we can't stop leaking goals, specifically from set-pieces? You were crucifying Houllier for the defence last season (completely understandable) yet we haven't really improved at all in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Our play is so predictable... Pass back.. pass back... hoof from defence.. and probably the odd attack with Hutton pushing forward then taking ages to get back and being out of position. Boring, predictable rubbish. Also I thought McLeish said he would work on set piece training? what nonsense, yet another goal conceeded via set piece.. defensively solid? what a joke. Who was marking Sessegnon? Collins? Let's see if McLeish drops him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAFC2000 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Our play is so predictable... Pass back.. pass back... hoof from defence.. and probably the odd attack with Hutton pushing forward then taking ages to get back and being out of position. Boring, predictable rubbish. Also I thought McLeish said he would work on set piece training? what nonsense, yet another goal conceeded via set piece.. defensively solid? what a joke. Who was marking Sessegnon? Collins? Let's see if McLeish drops him then. What do you expect...! We have 0 money, 0 ambition and 0 quality players....! The PL is finished in my opinion unless you support one of the big 2 clubs then its OK. I guess City and United do need teams to play against week in week out....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanvilla_1994 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Its getting ridiculous now, our last manager couldn't be bothered to address the set piece situation and our current manager despite supposedly being good at organising defences can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hercs23 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 just seen highlights and i am so gutted not to get 3 points especially with the goal coming so late. ** Bent missed a great chance today and he has to be scoring them. he had enough time to power and place it right but yet again misses a great chance. must do better ** Heskey in midfield is ridiculous WHY WHY WHY??? what does he offer there. all heskey can offer us now is coming off the bench for the last 10 mins and hold the ball up. surely clark, ireland, delph or jenas is better there. it was also heskeys pass that led to there first goal(that was not a foul on nzogbia) and then they pass it round him as he offers no cover. do NOT want to see him in the 1st team next week. ** defence wise dont know what to say really dunne, collins, warnock was part of the defence that was great in the MON era but now i dont know if there getting on, not been trained correctly or just not good enough anymore. its just not working. this is what led to there 2nd goal with collins not tracking his man properly and in the 90th minute surely when you have the lead thats when you make sure no one gets in front of you ** overall it doesnt sound like were the most interesting team to watch over 90 mins but were getting most the job done just need to stop conceeding. once again we need the win against norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanvilla_1994 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Our play is so predictable... Pass back.. pass back... hoof from defence.. and probably the odd attack with Hutton pushing forward then taking ages to get back and being out of position. Boring, predictable rubbish. Also I thought McLeish said he would work on set piece training? what nonsense, yet another goal conceeded via set piece.. defensively solid? what a joke. Who was marking Sessegnon? Collins? Let's see if McLeish drops him then. What do you expect...! We have 0 money, 0 ambition and 0 quality players....! The PL is finished in my opinion unless you support one of the big 2 clubs then its OK. I guess City and United do need teams to play against week in week out....! Appointing a decent manager would be a good start.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 What do you expect...! We have 0 money, 0 ambition and 0 quality players....! The PL is finished in my opinion unless you support one of the big 2 clubs then its OK. I guess City and United do need teams to play against week in week out....! I expected a better manager than average McLeish to start with.. the football is boring, hoof ball nonsense and I expected us to win more games than we have already considering the teams we have played. Now that he is here.. I expected McLeish to sort out the defence.. he has also had pre season to work with the team; something the previous manager never had and sort everything out.. there has been no improvement in terms of conceeding from set pieces and even general play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Full credit to all who trudged up there and back today The support again came across as superb. Credit to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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