Stevo985 Posted April 11, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, DCJonah said: He really wasn't. I remember a game against Blackburn early on in his villa career and he flapped at everything. To claim he was one of the best in the league is a massive exaggeration. I think it's unfair to cite his first game (IIRC) in the first team as evidence for his ability to claim crosses. For a season or two he was excellent at claiming them. I'm sure there was a stat one season that he had something like a 95% success rate (I'll try and find it)which probably would have put him amongst the best in the league Edit: Could only find this. I'm sure the stat I heard was a percentage, but this still shows he had the most successful "high claims". In fact that whole selection shows how much he's declined. 4th in the league for number of errors, 2nd for accurate goal kicks, 4th for saves inside the box. I wonder how he'd rank in those categories now Edited April 11, 2016 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 On 09/04/2016 at 23:20, MuleAthon said: There's ways and means of doing so that can have a less catastrophic impact on the player. Obviously I don't know what was said to Guzan in private but it appears he was left as an outcast by the (one of the) previous regime(s) and he has never psychologically recovered; like so many of this squad he appears to be a broken man who isn't surrounded by the kind of talented players who can help to break a downward spiral. But where some players can get by through persistence (arguably Westwood or Hutton, in this current team), or positivity (Ayew, for example), a goalkeeper is only ever really spotlit for negative reasons and he's struggled behind this colander of a defence, understandably so I think, so I don't think he's been treated particularly well by the club, no. If that's the case then chuck him on the pile of mentally weak players who need to be outcast as soon as is possible. It's not true about the spotlight only being on keepers when they're rubbish either. If it weren't for Benteke I imagine 90% of Villa fans would have had Guzan player of the season in 12/13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 45 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think it's unfair to cite his first game (IIRC) in the first team as evidence for his ability to claim crosses. For a season or two he was excellent at claiming them. I'm sure there was a stat one season that he had something like a 95% success rate (I'll try and find it)which probably would have put him amongst the best in the league Edit: Could only find this. I'm sure the stat I heard was a percentage, but this still shows he had the most successful "high claims". In fact that whole selection shows how much he's declined. 4th in the league for number of errors, 2nd for accurate goal kicks, 4th for saves inside the box. I wonder how he'd rank in those categories now Have to say I'm surprised by those crossing stats. I stand corrected He was excellent that season and the decline has been huge. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'm more surprised by the "Accurate Goal Kicks" stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 11, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11, 2016 Brad has been shit this season. But his kicking has been continually blown out of proportion on VillaTalk. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 If there's one thing those stats show it's that at least he had some talent/ability. Unlike most of our dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleAthon Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 If that's the case then chuck him on the pile of mentally weak players who need to be outcast as soon as is possible. It's not true about the spotlight only being on keepers when they're rubbish either. If it weren't for Benteke I imagine 90% of Villa fans would have had Guzan player of the season in 12/13. I don't disagree with the get rid premise, only the worry that there are other areas to strengthen which should be prioritised over this one, meaning a stay of execution if you like on his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 A lot of his goal kicks were directed to Benteke who had the best aerial win percentage in the league. Guzan and Benteke helped each other out stats wise in that aspect. Guzan was a good keeper. Those stats prove it. From 2012-2014, Guzan was a top keeper. He started to stutter a bit towards the end of Lambert's tenure. but the whole team was playing god awful then. Sherwood took over and Guzan's form fell off a cliff. He hasn't recovered since then. Can Guzan get back to his previous form? Maybe, but it's risky to bet on that. I personally think we should keep him though. His wages aren't that high, and he would be a great back-up/rotation keeper to Steer next season. I trust Guzan a lot more than I trust Bunn, so going off that, I'd rather keep Guzan and have Steer competing with him for the #1 spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Replace these three with competent players and the team becomes much better straight away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Pilchard said: Replace these three with competent players and the team becomes much better straight away Replace those 3 and we wouldn't be facing relegation on Saturday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Brad has been shit this season. But his kicking has been continually blown out of proportion on VillaTalk. I think it's one of those things that you don't notice until you have a reason to. A keeper could have solid distribution 99% of the time, but one clanger (and to be fair, Brad's had more than 1) sticks in the memory a lot longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 19 hours ago, DCJonah said: He really wasn't. I remember a game against Blackburn early on in his villa career and he flapped at everything. To claim he was one of the best in the league is a massive exaggeration. 12/13 he was brilliant on crosses. You saw the issues we had in the cup from set pieces when Given was put back in that year. I meant that aspect rather than all round which is far more debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Czechlad said: A lot of his goal kicks were directed to Benteke who had the best aerial win percentage in the league. Guzan and Benteke helped each other out stats wise in that aspect. Guzan was a good keeper. Those stats prove it. From 2012-2014, Guzan was a top keeper. He started to stutter a bit towards the end of Lambert's tenure. but the whole team was playing god awful then. Sherwood took over and Guzan's form fell off a cliff. He hasn't recovered since then. Can Guzan get back to his previous form? Maybe, but it's risky to bet on that. I personally think we should keep him though. His wages aren't that high, and he would be a great back-up/rotation keeper to Steer next season. I trust Guzan a lot more than I trust Bunn, so going off that, I'd rather keep Guzan and have Steer competing with him for the #1 spot. Guzan wouldn't want to be number 2 in the championship. Don't forget Tim Howard is going back to MLS this summer and is back as USA's number one. If Guzan can go back to MLS and have a couple of good seasons he'd have a better chance of being US number one at the world cup. He's mentally shot here now. For his own career sake let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Unless he has a 90% wage drop clause in his contract we can't afford to have him here next season, and especially not as #2. Paying PL wages to a mediocre keeper in the Championship is just not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 hour ago, sne said: Unless he has a 90% wage drop clause in his contract we can't afford to have him here next season, and especially not as #2. Paying PL wages to a mediocre keeper in the Championship is just not an option. Yes, exactly. A new keeper and Steer will be about all we can afford. Guzan's almost certainly on over £30k/week, way too much for a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Pilchard said: Replace these three with competent players and the team becomes much better straight away 3 leaders at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Great reflexes for the Rashford goal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 Like a pissed up senile old veteran falling over after a skinfull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I still have Bunn over him even is he is a midget. Definite worst No.1 in our history, 1 good season out of 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 **** useless and a shit man to boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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