snowychap Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 ... its generally accepted that if you sit at the top of the tree, you fall when things beneath you go wrong. I think that is no longer the first, second or even third thought of anyone atop an organization. I think that the first thought is how to stop something coming out, the second finding someone to lay the blame on and the third on how to distance oneself from that person/those persons. We've seen it in politics, in the media and in business with ever increasing frequency over the last few decades. Retiring to the study with a gun is largely from a bygone era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 5, 2011 Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2011 So it seems sadly is people voting with their feet or the pound in their pockets. If everyone stopped buying their papers over this then these people would be out of a job soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 How The Sun reported this Headline News Story this morning. Page 2. Brief column. Opposite a pair of tits. There's "protecting your own" and then there's just a complete lack of morality and values. Not defending the currant bun but it would appear that none of the red tops ran this as a headline story, did they? If that's the case then I'd suggest it implies they're rather worried about putting the boot in as it may come back to them, too. I am slightly interested as to the timing of the Grauniad's report. Might it have more to do with the Hunt/Sky decision than indignation at the hacking of Milly Dowler's voicemail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Take 'em down. Boycott, set fire to the offices, chase 'em out of town! Seriously though, the guys a Bond villian, too much power for one man to have. The depressing thing is the problem isn't him, it's the morally abject millions that buy his trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 5, 2011 Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2011 Well if the timing is a well aimed blow I'll forgive the Guardian for keeping hold of it a while. Using it when it hurts the most and has maximum impact can only be a good thing in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunRickyRun Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Not defending the currant bun but it would appear that none of the red tops ran this as a headline story, did they? If that's the case then I'd suggest it implies they're rather worried about putting the boot in as it may come back to them, too. Coverage in other newspapers over the original NI apology for telephone hacking How much of a story? News International's apology on Friday got a mixed reception in the papers over the weekend, as these word counts show... Saturday * The Independent: 3,535 * The Guardian: 3,187 * The Times: 2,251 * The Daily Telegraph: 760 * Daily Mail: 588 * Daily Express: 405 * Daily Mirror: 118 * The Sun: 65 Yesterday * The Observer: 3,417 * The Independent on Sunday: 2,768 * The Sunday Times: 1,329 (mainly in News Review) * The Sunday Telegraph: 397 * News of the World: 386 (apology) * The Sunday Express: 146 * Daily Star Sunday: 49 * The Mail on Sunday: 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 5, 2011 Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2011 Your one stop tweet shop for contacting the advertisers of the NOTW Should you wish to tell them how you think And if you notice that the Cooperative, Cadburys (GoneFairTrade) & the Body Shop are in there, you might (a very slim might) get through to them as they do claim to have some sort of ethics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I am worried about why the police have so royally ƒucked this whole investigation from the beginning. Is it possibly because the police might collude with journalists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 5, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2011 ... its generally accepted that if you sit at the top of the tree, you fall when things beneath you go wrong. I think that is no longer the first, second or even third thought of anyone atop an organization. I think that the first thought is how to stop something coming out, the second finding someone to lay the blame on and the third on how to distance oneself from that person/those persons. We've seen it in politics, in the media and in business with ever increasing frequency over the last few decades. Retiring to the study with a gun is largely from a bygone era. Agreed. Although I think its more accurate for people in the public eye than not, of course. You'd think wide spread acknowledgment of their failure would encourage someone to consider their position more urgently. At least Coulson had the mind to quit, even if he claimed to have been unaware. Anyone achieving executive status should receive a single shot pistol, stored in a glass case in their office, for emergency cases requiring the moral falling on a sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 The BBC's Robert Peston has just posted this on Twitter. News Int execs tell me they fear there may have been worse examples of NOTW hacking than that of Milly Dowler's phone. The mind reels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I am worried about why the police have so royally ƒucked this whole investigation from the beginning. Is it possibly because the police might collude with journalists? Brooks admitted to a Commons committee several years ago that they bribed police for stories. Her statement was later "clarified" by NI execs. The former policeman leading the enquiry now works for NI. The head of the Met says police have better things to do than look into hacking. Like lie to peaceful demonstrators and gbhring them to court on spurious charges, I expect. The conduct of the police must be fully and independently investigated on this, with the inquiry specifically looking into corruption, payments, friendship links between police and newspapers, and all the rest of the stuff that bring us down to the moral standards of some of the countries we mock for public corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Careful about the police accusations, might have Gatehouse turn up at your door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 5, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2011 The BBC's Robert Peston has just posted this on Twitter. News Int execs tell me they fear there may have been worse examples of NOTW hacking than that of Milly Dowler's phone. The mind reels He mentioned this on 5Live earlier. Apparently they are genuinely concerned that more damning stuff may come out, though whether they're concerned because they know theres worse that they have done, or are just worried that more have gone on that they are unaware of is of course open to debate and your own personal level of cynicism. Myself, I suspect they know there are even more grim skeletons in the closet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 5, 2011 Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2011 Top Tip: why not tell Rebekah Brook how disgusted you are by leaving a message on your own voicemail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 How much lower can Rupert Murdoch's media empire sink? Today, one of his papers stands accused of hacking the phone of murdered teenager Milly Dowler, causing her family even more pain, and risking a police inquiry. [1] Rupert Murdoch's empire is now under investigation by the police. [2] But at the same time, he’s getting ready to take even more control of our media. This week, Murdoch’s expecting to get the green light from David Cameron’s government for his takeover of BSkyB. [3] If we work together, we can make sure this week doesn't end with Murdoch getting awarded even more power. Let's stand together for higher media standards and against Murdoch's latest power grab. Help break Murdoch's grip, sign the petition now: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/murdoch-deal-petition The final government inquiry into Murdoch's power grab ends this Friday at midday. [4] We'll deliver a copy of the petition to the inquiry - demanding that the phone hacking allegations are taken into account and the deal is halted. The government wants to approve Murdoch’s BSkyB takeover. They say that Murdoch promises to respect media independence, so there's nothing to fear from giving him even more control. They want us to trust Rupert Murdoch! [5] But how can we trust Murdoch when his paper stands accused of hacking into the phone of a murdered teenager? We’ve got until noon on Friday to prove to the government that the public wants the brakes put on Murdoch’s power grab. Let's get over 100,000 signatures by then – add your name now: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/murdoch-deal-petition Yesterday, Murdoch's empire thought this deal was in the bag. Our people-powered campaign had helped delay things - but they had just one hurdle left. The minister in charge, Jeremy Hunt, was clearly on Murdoch’s side. Murdoch's backing for the Conservatives at the election and his executives’ cosy dinners with David Cameron all seemed to be paying off. But now, we have a real chance to stop this power grab. [6] Across the UK, people are shocked at how one of Rupert Murdoch’s papers is accused of heartlessly abusing a family facing one of the worst situations any of us can imagine. Let’s work together to make sure this is a turning point in the battle for higher media standards in Britain. Please sign the petition now: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/murdoch-deal-petition Thanks for being involved, David, Hannah, Johnny, Becky, Cian, Marie and the 38 Degrees team PS: Would you take a promise from Rupert Murdoch at face value? Help break Murdoch's grip, add your name to the petition now: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/murdoch-deal-petition NOTES: [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/04/milly-dowler-voicemail-hacked-news-of-world [2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8617299/News-of-the-World-executives-to-meet-police-over-Milly-Dowler-phone-hacking-claims.html [3] http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/01a242ce-a2df-11e0-a9a4-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1REVIppSL [4] http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/8258.aspx [5] http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jun/30/news-corp-bskyb-bis-jeremy-hunt-approval [6] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14023233 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 5, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2011 Top Tip: why not tell Rebekah Brook how disgusted you are by leaving a message on your own voicemailStolen for Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Hopefully more people will now do the same as I have been for years. No newspapers. No Skyscumsport. In fact my TV package from Virgin is so low its actually free. No Sky channels at all. I think...as I don't watch TV anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 internet bandwagons are well and good but can't people be outraged enough for themselves without having to be coerced into joining something ..it's shades of Stephen Fry or Jon Woss all over again and everything that is wrong with twitter (and to a small degree society today , ) and if you really must do it , well I'd rather this much effort and energy was going into twitters around the Uk to stop the killing in Syria to be honest .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I suspect there is a difference between using the media to bring disripute to a media corporation rather than attempting to distabalise the Syrian government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaninireland Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Police now contacted parents of Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells over NoTW phone hacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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