El-Reacho Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Anyway next year’s TdF course looks an absolute stormer! It certainly does. I'm so disillusioned with this sport that I've booked flights to Paris for the Champs Elysee finish - a night time sprint. Should be spectacular. I'd say the organisers were delighted that Brad turned up to tell them he was going to ride the Giro instead! I wonder has Froome given Sky an ultimatum - I lead at the tour or else I'm gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Here’s Fat Pat’s son’s website http://www.trinitysportsmanagement.com Glad to see so many cyclists are signed up to his agency. And that moron Graham Watson takes the pictures... Thinking of going to Ventoux. How I love that mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Here’s Fat Pat’s son’s website http://www.trinitysportsmanagement.com Glad to see so many cyclists are signed up to his agency. And that moron Graham Watson takes the pictures... Thinking of going to Ventoux. How I love that mountain. Having ridden up it in my youth I can honestly say I hate the ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Having ridden up it in my youth I can honestly say I hate the ****. I drove up it - much easier. It was pretty exhilarating driving back down and being overtaken on both sides by riders descending like bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Yes its a hard bastard, but the achievement is worth it all I think, its a ride with no escape, with little respite. Remember Jean François Bernard winning in 1987 on Ventoux and being ƒucked afterwards. See Bobby Julich has been given the heave ho. Have to say Sky must have been naïve if they didn’t think he was involved. Sean Yates must be thinking about new employment. As must Mick Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 David Brailsford should have typed Sean Yates into google and looked at the third auto-complete option that comes up. Hardly thorough due diligence is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I'd imagine it's very difficult to hire an experienced, decent TDF rider/ex-rider who hasn't had some sort of involvement with doping ... past of sky's problem that I think. They wanted some know how and experience, but almost all of that is 'tainted' by past endeavours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Just looked at two clips, one from the 86 tour in the mountains, and then some stage race eleven years in the hill later featuring laurent jalabert. How juiced were those guys? Everyone just rolling along, no one struggling. People moving up the road with no real difficulty. No bad days anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Yates and De Jongh gone. Sutton next...? If the other teams had this policy, they wouldn’t have any riders left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/video/2297593634/exclusive-phil-liggett Phil talks on being made a fool of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 This is all very sad but, IMO, Yates is another rider, like Armstrong , who completely altered his body shape. now this ain't steroids I dont think, but the ability to train so hard that it becomes easier to burn fat. This is just a guess though. Road cycling as opposed to track, is very much about power to weight ratio which is why racing cyclists are obsessed about their weight . The clenbuterol that Contador was done for assists in that fat-burning process. If Shane Sutton went ..... God knows how Team Sky would fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didiersix Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Yes its a hard bastard, but the achievement is worth it all I think, its a ride with no escape, with little respite. Remember Jean François Bernard winning in 1987 on Ventoux and being ƒucked afterwards. See Bobby Julich has been given the heave ho. Have to say Sky must have been naïve if they didn’t think he was involved. Sean Yates must be thinking about new employment. As must Mick Rogers. I did Ventoux a couple of years ago and loved it. From Chalet Reynaud (or whatever it's called) is hard, but I think I got a good day when the conditions were benign. Coming down is frightening though... I got a bit scared at how quick you can go (although the road quality is great). The route this year for the Tour looks fantastic - they've pulled out all the big guns for the 100th edition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 coming down is very frightening, especially with mad Belgians overtaking at silly speeds going up... Anyway here’s a list of why Sky aren’t the only team with a problem... Ag2r-La Mondiale Daniele Tarsi (Doctor at the doped Casino team) Vincent Lavenu (Manager at the doped Casino Team) Astana Andrea Andreazzoli (Doctor, named in Mantova) Marco Pallini (Doctor Named In Mantova) Alexander Vinokourov (Director from 2013 - served doping ban) Simone Uliari (Doctor - has worked with Conconi - +Grazzi, Casoni, Manfredini - in the past[1] BMC Racing Team Jim Ochiwiz (Former DS at the doping Motorola) John Lelangue (DS - formerly the manager of Phonak) Andy Rihs (Sponsor and now owner. Owns Phonak. USADA name him as funding Landis Doping) Max Testa (Doctor with Motorola, Mapei) Giovanni Ruffini (Doctor with Mapei) Yvon Ledanois (Joins BMC for 2013, Client of Dr Mabuse - Bernard Sainz - , ex movistar director) Dario Spinelli (Doctor - worked with Mapei with Testa and Ruffini) Max Sciandri (DS - Formerly at Motorola, client of Luigi Cecchini, member of Cecchini's famous olympic podium clean sweep) Freddy Viaene (Soigneur - Named/Redacted in the USADA documentation) Euskaltel-Euskadi Raquel Ortolano (Doctor - Liberty Seguros from ?-06, Astana 07-09) Sergio Quilez (Doctor - Liberty Seguros 05-06) Alvaro Gonzalez de Galdeano (Sports Director - Positive for nandrolone as a rider) FDJ-BigMat Marc Madiot (manager, former doper, accused of being a doping manager) Former home of Fabio Bartalucci, now at Sky Garmin-Sharp Jonathan Vaughters (Owner - Admitted doping in the USADA investigation) Johnny Weltz (DS - Rode for ONCE, worked at Motorola, Postal, CSC) Orica-GreenEDGE Matt White (DS - admitted doping and dismissed) Neil Stephens (DS| - Festina Scandal) Manuel Rodriguez Alonso - Spanish Olympic Commision 96, 00, 04; ONCE 2000; Mapei 01-02; QST 03-04 (Sinkewitz named him as an administrator of dope); Real Madrid 07-09[2] Team Katusha [3] Hans-Michael Holczer (Director - Former Director at Gerolstiener, resigned after the Kohl and Schumacker positives) Slawomir Blaszczyk ("Physio" at Gerolsteiner) Thomas Klimaschka (Doctor Phonak 2005/06) Massimo Besnati (Doctor at Mapei and Footon with Taus) Andrei Mikhailov (Doctor at TVM:D) Christian Henn (Sports director, admitted doping while at Telekom) Erik Zabel (Coach, admitted doping in 2007) Mario Chiesa (Sports Director - Rode at Carrerra, investigated in 2001 and 2004 (Ferrara)) Gennady Mikhaylov (Sports Director - Rode four years at Postal before then joining Astana) Besnati (Doctor - worked with Batik-Del Monte 97, Riso Sotti 98-99, Milram 07) Mikhailov (Doctor - Collstrop 99, Lotto around 01, Unibet 07) Lampre-ISD Giuseppe Saronni (Manager - Named in the Mantova Investigation) Fabrizio Bontempi (Sports Director - Named in the Mantova Investigation) Pietro Ronchi (Doctor Lampre 02/03-present) Sandro Lerici (Sports Director - Arrested in the Soprani raids) Orlando Maini (Sports Director - formerly at Mercatone Uno, LPR and Tinkoff. Investigated and acquited in the Bologna trials) Maurizio Piovani (Sports Director, Arrested in the Soprani raids, named in the Mantova Investigation) Carlo Guardascione (Doctor - Named in Mantova Investigation) Fabio Della Torre (Massuer - Named in Mantova Investigation) Liquigas-Cannondale Emilio Magni (Doctor - Mercatone Uno 00, Fassa 01-04) Roberto Corsetti (Doctor - One of the redacted others in the USADA documents) Alberto Volpi (Sports Director - Positive test as rider, missed test, Gewiss investigation, Ferrara investigation) Mario Scirea (Sports Director - Raided as part of the Oil for Drugs raids in 2004) Fabrizio Settembrini (Soigneur, formally with Mercatone Uno, raided in 2001) Lotto-Belisol Mario Aerts (Sports Director, investigated in 2001, on the Telekom team) Movistar Team Eusebio Unzue (Manager - Needs no introduction, dirtier than a tramp at glastonbury) Jesus Hoyos (Doctor - Illes/Banesto - Raided in 2001) José Luis Arrieta (Sporting Director, rode for the dodgy Banesto team, investigated in the 2001 raids, famously referred to Valverde as "never testing positive") Yvon Ledanois (Sports Director - arrested during the Cofidis raids while riding for FdeJ) Omega Pharma-Quick Step Patric Lefevre (Manager - Former manager of the exceedingly dodgy Mapei team. Accused by the belgian press in 2007 of doping) Ibarguren Taus (Doctor - Saunier Duval, doping products found in car and more) Brian Holm (Director - admitted doping as a rider) Rolf Aldag (Director - Admitted doping as a rider) Yvan Van Mol (Doctor - GB - MG Maglificio, Mapei and then Quickstep. Named by three riders of having administered HGH, EPO, Caffeine, Testosterone, Cortisone. Admitted in 2007 of having "knowledge of trafficking at Mapei") Tom Steels (Sports Director - Long time rider at Mapei, one of the riders raided in 2002) Rik Van Slycke (Sports Director - tested positive as a rider) Jo Planckaert (Driver - convicted in 2008 for his role in the Landuyt affair) Davide Bramati (Sports Director - Long time rider for Mapei, raided in 2001) Rabobank Eric Breukink (Coach - dismissed in Sept 2012 - Rode at PDM, Once) RadioShack-Nissan Johan Bruyneel (Sports Director - needs no introduction) Kim Anderson (Sports Director - Tested positive, banned for life, then reduced, then tested positive again) Pedro Celaya (Doctor - named in the USADA investigation. No longer with the team) Geert Duffeleer (Director of Operations - Heads Bruyneel sports management, cook, soigneur and gopher. Named in USADA investigations) Team Saxo Bank-Tinkoff Bank Bjarne Riis (Confessed doper and named by Hamilton as sending riders to Fuentes) José Pepi Marti (Doctor, named in USADA files, formerly at Astana) Fabrizio Guidi (Sports Director, raided in 2004, tested positive in 2005 while at Phonak) Team Sky Gert Leinders (Doctor Rabobank - now dismissed) Bartalucci (Doctor Busted in 2001 but not charged) Sean Yates (Formerly at Motorola and DS at Discovery Channel - now left the team) Bobby Jullich (Coach, admitted doping at US Postal - now dismissed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Interesting action from Kimmage to counter attack Pat and Hein. Pat and Paul's relationship is like something out of a DC comic - buddies and training partners in amateur Irish cycling back in the late 70's early 80's - now both sworn enemies essentially battling for control of the sport. Good versus evil and all that. Got me thinking that Lance is probably watching carefully! Does he plan his confession and then turn around an become the key witness to Pat and Hein's demise?? The way this story has run to date it wouldn't surprise me one bit. The story that keeps on giving..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Its a movie waiting to be made... The great American hero who against broken promises wins the world championship and finally the tour de France. He gets shot and no one believes he has a chance. He beats some greasy foreigner with a pony tail in a time trial, only for his company and dreams to be destroyed by a monster from Texas high on EPO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Not strictly 'pro cycling' but probably the most appropriate place to post this. Tommy Godwin has passed away aged 92. You would have to be pretty old to remember him racing - even I am not quite that old - but he was a seminal figure in the Birmingham cycling scene for years. Was interviewed on Midlands Today etc a couple of times. Looked as fit as a butcher's dog when well into his 80's. When he presented Chris Hoy with his medal at a pre-Olympic track race from the new velodrome, Hoy applauded HIM - which I thought spoke volumnes about both men. Tremendous Birmingham cyclist. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 A great cyclist who was robbed of his best years by the war. Back to pro cycling Paul Kimmage and Skins are suing the UCI; you couldn’t make it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted July 7, 2013 Author VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2013 Does anybody think Contador and Schleck are riding clean?Now look at how much Froome and especially Porte dominated them yesterday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Contador won't risk it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarjei Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 For a long time the consensus on a cycling-forum I frequent is that Sky-riders are using drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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