Gym Routine

[Stevo985]

Just now, YGabbana said:

Sold myprotein and set up gonutrition i think. After he left they turned to shit imo..they got caught out misleading customers on their labels and some of their proteins were packed with soy and pea protein as main sources without the specified amounts

Fair enough.

They must have got their act together since then to rank so highly in independent tests. 

Labdoor's tests include label accuracy and quality of ingredients.

[JB]

Yeah I don't remember hearing anything about that... At all. 

[JB]

Must admit that I'd never heard of Go Nutrition. Just had a look at their website and they're offering grass-fed whey for exactly the same price as MP's standard Impact Whey. I'd be tempted to give it a try but I've got pretty hefty discount codes from my mate for MP and Bulk Powders . 

[Stevo985]

Incidentally, MP are apparently doing up to 60% off protein powders today, if anyone's buying.

I may also be tempted to try out gonutrition in future. Although I guess I'm an "average gym bro" so I probably won't notice much of a difference.

Edited April 11, 2016 by Stevo985

[mightysasquatch]

16 minutes ago, JB said:

I'm afraid you're wrong on this one mightysasquatch.

The supposed benefits of grass-fed cattle, whether it be for beef or milk, are pretty much a myth. It's generally propagated by people who stand to make a shit load of money from charging people nearly 3x as much for a steak. It's approaching Bulletproof Coffee levels of sheer bullshittery. And paleo. Lol. Save your cash instead. 

I have no bias towards MyProtein but as Stevo pointed out, it's very highly rated by Labdoor (who are completely independent). The relative low cost of their products isn't correlated to product quality - rather it is more indicative of how other supplement companies are overcharging. It's also endorsed by one particular industry figure (Martin McDonald) who I know for a fact would not risk his reputation and livelihood by lying. He has turned down a lot of more lucrative endorsement for products he does not rate.

To top it off, any cynicism I had disappeared when my mate (who has a masters in sports nutrition and supplementation) went to work for MyProtein in product development. He's since been head-hunted by Bulk Powders and he is adamant that both companies' formulas of absolutely top notch. He's not on commission so has nothing to gain by telling me this. 

For each one calling it a myth there's those who say otherwise.  So no I'm not wrong, it just depends on which you would believe. I go with the people who's been in the industry a long time with decades of experience.

 

I also know elite lifters, whom have gone to represent this country & they wouldn't touch MP with mine or yours.

Edited April 11, 2016 by mightysasquatch

[Stevo985]

Must admit, I'm struggling to find any sources evidencing that grass fed whey is better than grain fed whey.

Most sources seem to say that whey is so processed anyway that it doesn't really matter.

I've only had a quick google though, and this genuinely interests me, so I'll keep looking.

[JB]

Nobody is just "calling" it a myth. It's been proved as such. So the body of evidence suggests that yes, you are very wrong. But if you want to base your beliefs entirely on anecdotal evidence then crack on. Just don't try and tell others in this thread that a particular product is shit based on what is, essentially, a hunch of yours. Personally I prefer to save my money by not buying in to quackery.

And just because someone is an elite lifter doesn't mean they know a **** thing about the formulation of protein powders.

Out of interest, who are the industry figures that you're referring to?

Edited April 11, 2016 by JB

[YGabbana]

Yeah I don't remember hearing anything about that... At all. 

It was on UK-M forum awhile ago, i was a member at the time. They got called out by a member about lab tests and proceded to admit their labels were misleading.

As the other lad is saying, i dont know any bodybuilders who use myprotein either. Whether thats out of choice or quality i dont know. Personally had bad experience with MP products and also their customer service which is main reason i use a different companys.

[JB]

Ah man the whole "I know a powerlifter/bodybuilder who does x or y so it must be right" thing really grinds my gears. So many other variables to take into account that it really proves nothing.

[Rds1983]

Was offered a new job yesterday afternoon and thought I'd celebrate with a pair of lifting shoes.

Any recommendations?

[Rds1983]

Found a place near me that sells them but not 100% sure what to look for.

http://www.ko-sports.co.uk/category/weightlifting-footwear

Seen talk online saying to try before I buy rather than just ordering blind from online.

[mightysasquatch]

On 11 April 2016 at 17:03, JB said:

Ah man the whole "I know a powerlifter/bodybuilder who does x or y so it must be right" thing really grinds my gears. So many other variables to take into account that it really proves nothing.

Sorry for not replying sooner, 14 hour shifts & a pregnant wife & all. 

I dont buy into the whole "superfood" craze that's sweeping the fitness world/supermarkets, I'm the first to tell people it's all a marketing. So I don't buy into all that kind of garbage. Just as my views on paleo & all that kind of thing, I don't buy into it. So I don't just read a few articles & believe what I'm reading. My views have come from working with top nutritional people due to my horrendous food allergies, as well as my own experience with food/supplement companies ect 

Ive competed at pretty decent levels, I've been to world championships(only to view im afraid),Spoken to some of the best of the best in their sports. My point was that, in these types of circles no one will use a brand like MP because it's deemed "budget". Outside of the guys myprotein endorse, giving them money, free supplements & advertising I'm yet to see a single athlete use it. While that's not to say it makes out MP to make bad products, what it says, to me at least is that it can't be that good. Maybe your typical gym rat doesn't looks at it that way, but I do. 

I'm even taking about intermediate levels of sports, like regional qualifiers. Yes it's my view but I've seen X amount of good/decent/excellent people at their sport to know that means something. So it may grind your gears when people say that, but it does hold some truth. I may of been hasty saying their stuff was "awful" but I stand by that there's reasons behind their pricing & whatnot. From a personal point of view their whey has always been "awful" interms of how I've reacted to it, so maybe that's why I used that word.

But I genuinely thought it was common opinion that's it's not the best & moving away from brands like MP/Bulkpowders has been very beneficial for me. 

As for grass fed, if anyone can be bothered then a read through this is interesting.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/#!po=16.3043 (taken for article below)

 

I do actually agree with you in that, again marketing the hell out of "grass fed" is a tad misleading but there are benefits. Supermarket/mass produced/low grade meat should pale in comparison to anything remotely better in terms of how it's kept/fed. While the benefits maybe minor, I think it's worth it. It's worth, to me at least squeezing anything I can out of my food to make my nutrition better. Not only has doing that made my day to day life better it's taken me (at the age of 35 & kind of late to the lifting world at 30 when I began) to being able to go to national champions. So again, to me it is worth it. 

 

Also a decent article on a lot of "healthy foods" 

http://jasonferruggia.com/healthy-food-sucks/

I've been lucky that my job has meant I can source such as these. So I believe that it's superior.

I wasn't going to bother with replying, this is one of those  times where we can post back & forth indefinitely but I'll post this in reply so I can "crack on" with how I go about my day. It's worked so far 

Edited April 12, 2016 by mightysasquatch

[BOF]

I'll just leave this here

Science shows that this particular exercise is the worst for your sexual performance

By Ben Kenyon

 

The theory is simple. Get in shape, get more sex. It's pure Darwinism in action.

The grand old bearded theologian Charles Darwin said 'sexual selection' was a core part of the evolution of species.

Without going all David Attenborough on you, the fitter, stronger or more attractive specimens are seen as better breeding partners across the animal kingdom.

Admit it. Most people want to get in better shape to appeal to the opposite sex.

Why the hell else would you wake up on a Monday morning, clumsily throw on your gym gear and head out into the p*ssing rain to slog your guts out?

There's no denying that exercise is fantastic for your health, mental well-being, your confidence and how good you look in Speedos on holiday.

But while exercise might help you look like a resplendent peacock to a potential mate, some forms of training could hit your performance in the bedroom, say Eat This Not That.

The male hormone testosterone is crucial to sex drive, sexual performance and a strong erection.

But a study shows that spending too much time running can serious dent your body's testosterone levels. So that potentially means low libido, erectile dysfunction and fatigue.

Via Tumblr

Running just under six miles a day was shown to drop your T levels by nearly one fifth, according to the University of British Columbia.

It's not clear the exact effect that hitting the treadmill too hard has on this male sex hormone, but researchers hypothesise that putting in all those miles in training could maybe disrupt communication between your brain and your body's hormone-producing glands.

So if you're training for a marathon or you're a hardcore long distance runner, you might want to ease off

Your testosterone levels naturally peak around the age of 20 and will steadily decline when you hit 30.

But there are ways to naturally boost your T levels and therefore your sex drive.

Lifting weight and high intensity exercise are among the best ways to trigger a big testosterone release coursing through your body.

Hitting some heavy metal in the gym is a great muscle builder and burns fat too - but it will spike your testosterone and send your libido soaring.

Getting a good night's sleep, eating healthy fats and things like steak are also good ways to boost that glorious T.

[Rds1983]

59 minutes ago, BOF said:

I'll just leave this here

Science shows that this particular exercise is the worst for your sexual performance

By Ben Kenyon

 

The theory is simple. Get in shape, get more sex. It's pure Darwinism in action.

The grand old bearded theologian Charles Darwin said 'sexual selection' was a core part of the evolution of species.

Without going all David Attenborough on you, the fitter, stronger or more attractive specimens are seen as better breeding partners across the animal kingdom.

Admit it. Most people want to get in better shape to appeal to the opposite sex.

Why the hell else would you wake up on a Monday morning, clumsily throw on your gym gear and head out into the p*ssing rain to slog your guts out?

There's no denying that exercise is fantastic for your health, mental well-being, your confidence and how good you look in Speedos on holiday.

But while exercise might help you look like a resplendent peacock to a potential mate, some forms of training could hit your performance in the bedroom, say Eat This Not That.

The male hormone testosterone is crucial to sex drive, sexual performance and a strong erection.

But a study shows that spending too much time running can serious dent your body's testosterone levels. So that potentially means low libido, erectile dysfunction and fatigue.

Via Tumblr

Running just under six miles a day was shown to drop your T levels by nearly one fifth, according to the University of British Columbia.

It's not clear the exact effect that hitting the treadmill too hard has on this male sex hormone, but researchers hypothesise that putting in all those miles in training could maybe disrupt communication between your brain and your body's hormone-producing glands.

So if you're training for a marathon or you're a hardcore long distance runner, you might want to ease off

Your testosterone levels naturally peak around the age of 20 and will steadily decline when you hit 30.

But there are ways to naturally boost your T levels and therefore your sex drive.

Lifting weight and high intensity exercise are among the best ways to trigger a big testosterone release coursing through your body.

Hitting some heavy metal in the gym is a great muscle builder and burns fat too - but it will spike your testosterone and send your libido soaring.

Getting a good night's sleep, eating healthy fats and things like steak are also good ways to boost that glorious T.

You should repost that in the running thread.

[markavfc40]

@BOF I did my first marathon on Sunday mate so not sure what that article says about me. Maybe I should ask my missus

I still do weights a couple of times a week though so maybe I am just averaging it all out and the old todger is neither thriving nor a pale shadow of his former self

Edited April 12, 2016 by markavfc40

[JB]

2 hours ago, mightysasquatch said:

Sorry for not replying sooner, 14 hour shifts & a pregnant wife & all. 

I dont buy into the whole "superfood" craze that's sweeping the fitness world/supermarkets, I'm the first to tell people it's all a marketing. So I don't buy into all that kind of garbage. Just as my views on paleo & all that kind of thing, I don't buy into it. So I don't just read a few articles & believe what I'm reading. My views have come from working with top nutritional people due to my horrendous food allergies, as well as my own experience with food/supplement companies ect 

Ive competed at pretty decent levels, I've been to world championships(only to view im afraid),Spoken to some of the best of the best in their sports. My point was that, in these types of circles no one will use a brand like MP because it's deemed "budget". Outside of the guys myprotein endorse, giving them money, free supplements & advertising I'm yet to see a single athlete use it. While that's not to say it makes out MP to make bad products, what it says, to me at least is that it can't be that good. Maybe your typical gym rat doesn't looks at it that way, but I do. 

I'm even taking about intermediate levels of sports, like regional qualifiers. Yes it's my view but I've seen X amount of good/decent/excellent people at their sport to know that means something. So it may grind your gears when people say that, but it does hold some truth. I may of been hasty saying their stuff was "awful" but I stand by that there's reasons behind their pricing & whatnot. From a personal point of view their whey has always been "awful" interms of how I've reacted to it, so maybe that's why I used that word.

But I genuinely thought it was common opinion that's it's not the best & moving away from brands like MP/Bulkpowders has been very beneficial for me. 

As for grass fed, if anyone can be bothered then a read through this is interesting.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/#!po=16.3043 (taken for article below)

 

I do actually agree with you in that, again marketing the hell out of "grass fed" is a tad misleading but there are benefits. Supermarket/mass produced/low grade meat should pale in comparison to anything remotely better in terms of how it's kept/fed. While the benefits maybe minor, I think it's worth it. It's worth, to me at least squeezing anything I can out of my food to make my nutrition better. Not only has doing that made my day to day life better it's taken me (at the age of 35 & kind of late to the lifting world at 30 when I began) to being able to go to national champions. So again, to me it is worth it. 

 

Also a decent article on a lot of "healthy foods" 

http://jasonferruggia.com/healthy-food-sucks/

I've been lucky that my job has meant I can source such as these. So I believe that it's superior.

I wasn't going to bother with replying, this is one of those  times where we can post back & forth indefinitely but I'll post this in reply so I can "crack on" with how I go about my day. It's worked so far 

Cool man. 

The post you quoted wasn't actually aimed at you but I can understand why you saw it that way. 

Anyway, I've got no problem with the choices that you make for yourself so if your supplements do the trick for you, then great. It's foolish to totally dismiss anecdotal evidence. You're clearly doing well, so fair play. But if we're going down this road then I can come back at you with all the people I know who've competed using MP (and similar brands). Martin McDonald, who is the nutritionist for British Weightlifting, endorses MP (his weekend mentorships are awesome). 

Another thing I take issue with is the inference that myself, and other MP users, are "average gym bros/rats". It may not have been your intention but if so, it comes across as massively arrogant and patronising. You're not the only one who has made what they believe to be informed choices. You don't know anything about me or my training, education and experience. You're older than me but I've been training for a lot longer than you and despite never training as out-and-out powerlifter, have hit some pretty decent numbers myself. I've believed and espoused some absolute nonsense in the past and will probably facepalm in a year's time about some of the stuff I believe now! I'd be more than willing to accept if what I'm saying now turns out to be wrong as well. 

However, the actual evidence states that any benefits to consuming produce from grass fed cattle are either non-existent or statistically insignificant. This is particularly true when it comes to whey protein where there is such a high level of processing. Yes, there are more omega 3s in grass fed beef but it makes up less than 1% of the total fat content.

I've liked a lot of the stuff you've posted in the past and we seem to follow a lot of the same people when it comes to training. I've mentioned him before but I'd strongly recommend subscribing to Alan Aragon's Research Review for unbiased, evidence-based nutrition information. My original response to you wasn't meant to be confrontational or argumentative. Likewise, I don't mean to come across as arsey now. 

Like you say, we could end up going back and forth forever on this! I'll leave it there so as to not bore everyone else in this thread to death!  

[Rds1983]

4 minutes ago, JB said:

Like you say, we could end up going back and forth forever on this! I'll leave it there so as to not bore everyone else in this thread to death!  

I don't know about anyone else but I actually enjoy reading these debates between people more experienced than myself. I find them very informative and they often make me think of things I hadn't even considered before.

[BOF]

You should repost that in the running thread.

Haha !

[Dante_Lockhart]

105kg 5x5 squat, 42.5kg 5x5 OHP and 130kg 1x5 Deadlift today. Feeling good since that little stutter I had a week or 2 ago.

[BOF]

Well I went back at it yesterday for the first time in a month, and already I feel like a new man.  Also surprised at how little strength I lost.  I think I was still just within the phase where it qualifies as 'well rested' rather than actual atrophy   OHP suffered a little but bench was bang on.