drat01 Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Samaritans - can we have an extra shift on this weekend please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 You're right - The Joker is in charge! Doest matter with or without O'leary really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Without preferably - right I'm off to Germany. Will be without net access for a month or so - all the best to you all and up the Villa!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Obviously no head in sand burying on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 You're right - The Joker is in charge! Doest matter with or without O'leary really. I disagree. That's the beauty of opinion and of football, no matter how many times you post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 and I disagree with you Chris. The manager is now incidental to the bigger issue. If you honestky believe that any other manager could deliver success under this regime then I think it would be a great discussion that we could have to see how and why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 You're right - The Joker is in charge! Doest matter with or without O'leary really. I disagree. That's the beauty of opinion and of football, no matter how many times you post it. The bit in bold is exactly right Chris. Agree with the rest of it but that bit just highlights the fact that this has been discussed time and again. The whys and wherefores. The reasons why people take the view on the manager have been brought up again and again. It should be clear to most, but sadly isn't, why the manager's performance has been questionned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 19, 2006 Author Moderator Share Posted June 19, 2006 Can the Mods keep this thread as a sticky - It will be "interesting" to see how people react as the season progresses It's better to create a new 'clean' poll for each section of the season. This poll is a good gauge of pre-season optimism. We can maybe do another one after 6 or 7 games and compare the percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 whilst I think we'll narrowly escape, at the moment only Watford and Sheffield United are teams I am confident / would expect us to definitely finish higher than. Charlton, Man City, Fulham, Portsmouth and Wigan are all maybes. We could do, we could easily not. As I've said elsewhere, anywhere between 13-18th depending on injuries and 'luck' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Can the Mods keep this thread as a sticky - It will be "interesting" to see how people react as the season progresses i actually think this is a goo idea. personally the teams i think will be battling us for safety are fulham, wigan and maybe man city along with the three promoted clubs. think pompey will be well ahead of us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 i actually think this is a goo idea I think you're getting a bit over-excited... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J.Rimmer Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Not for the first time I agree, in part, with everyone. However, I think we'll be surprised next season and return to the top half of the table.... 'cos football's a funny old game.... I have faith (Don't tell Oz).... and we are ASTON VILLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerHQ Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 You're right - The Joker is in charge! Doest matter with or without O'leary really. So Jez, you really believe that whoever is in charge next season, we'll still have a shite season?! I'm sorry but O'dreary's appaling tactics last season contributed pretty much in where we finished. As for relegation, well they way things are going I think we'll struggle to finish above 18th but I would change that if we sacked the clown as I've lost faith in him to get the best out of this squad which a new Manager could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBGB Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 My head says the squad is good enough to finish mid-table, my heart says (no money, no new players, no new owners) we are heading for the drop. Or is it the other way round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 So Jez, you really believe that whoever is in charge next season, we'll still have a shite season?! I'm sorry but O'Leary's appaling tactics last season contributed pretty much in where we finished. As for relegation, well they way things are going I think we'll struggle to finish above 18th but I would change that if we sacked the clown as I've lost faith in him to get the best out of this squad which a new Manager could do. I'm sorry but if we have some injuries to our senior players, so were basically playing a reserve side with a few first teamers in it you expect a different manager to do better?? If you can find a manager that can get us mid-table and above with majority reserve players he must the greatest manager ever!!! and this one is going to come to Villa???? On the over hand if we don't have lots of injuries and can play first team regularly then O'leary will do fine. Like he did the first 2 seasons, people class them as in the past well the season gone was in the past so its 2 good against 1 bad, not to bad hey!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfcinwales Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 I'm sure someone can correct me, again, but when a similar question was asked last season after the HUGE expenditure on players the majority seemed to expect a high to midtable finish, thanks to the improvements made. Squad seems so far about the same as then, manager and coaching staff nearly the same, onlt the issues regarding Ellis have changed. Strange, has the normal over optimism been moderated by the various O'leary out and the players are rubbish campaigns. For the record, my opinion as of today, it may change by the time the transfer window has closed, remains the same as last year when the transfer window closed. We are short of players especially those of genuine quality and if we get a run of injuries or of off form players, O'leary and his team will struggle because the options from the bench remain far too limited. This time however, the corollary I added, that the optimism was completely unfounded in my opinion, can now be excluded, but you knew that didn't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 We are short of players especially those of genuine quality and if we get a run of injuries or of off form players, O'leary and his team will struggle because the options from the bench remain far too limited. 100% agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyL Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 The manager is now incidental to the bigger issue. If you honestky believe that any other manager could deliver success under this regime then I think it would be a great discussion that we could have to see how and why The manager is far from incidental to the bigger issue and having one who knows his arse from his elbow would be a huge step in the right direction, but as the clown at the top seems determined to let the incompetent O'Leary stay in charge then he is the bigger problem, but to say the manager is incidental is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 You might think its ludicrous Tony but have failed to answer the question, as to why you think any other manager who we could get would be able to achieve everything you want as a Villa fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyL Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 You might think its ludicrous Tony but have failed to answer the question, as to why you think any other manager who we could get would be able to achieve everything you want as a Villa fan Well you're moving the goalposts slightly by saying "Achieve everything you want as a Villa Fan", but O'Leary's record speaks for itself, one half of a season we were very good, the rest has meandered between average and God awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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