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38 minutes ago, Xela said:

You think its growing here? I see more of an indifference towards the international series now from when it started. 

i think the international series maybe (that said its only 2/3 years since the every postcode ticket application thing supposedly happened, i think due to the market testing they've played around a bit too much) but the sport in general is growing, the number of woolly hats you see is definitely increasing, shirt sales i think people are still a bit wary of the over sizing (and the availability of them is still a bit shit) would be interested to know what skys viewing figures are like (even though that might be skewed by people picking teams and watching those teams or red zone rather than skys selected game)

and as for my previous comments about there being less technique and more violence in the tackling - 

but yeah they're definitely fannies for wearing pads, imagine doing that 30/40 times, you're going to be beat up and knackered

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3 hours ago, Xela said:

What happened to the Japanese electronic giants? Why have they now seemingly been left behind by Korean and Chinese rivals in the digital era? When I was a nipper the Japanese names like Sharp, Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, Hitachi, NEC and JVC were the kings of consumer electronics. Most of them sponsored top English football teams! 

LG (Goldstar) and Samsung were there as well from South Korea but never major players. Nowadays though the Koreans are miles ahead on stuff like TVs, phones, tablets etc. My first phone was a NEC (followed by a Panasonic then 2x Sharps), my first laptop was a Toshiba and my first home cinema set up was a JVC monster widescreen, Hitachi SVHS player a Pioneer DVD and speaker setup Now, nothing from the land of rising sun is in my apartment.  

I don't profess to know anything about the global consumer electronics market If I was a betting man I would guess at 2 things.

1) Japanese tech used to be cheap so they dominated over more expensive European and American companies who couldn't compete on price.  Now they have gone the same way as the companies they trumped, employees will be very highly paid, the modern world of health and safety, pension costs, all the trappings of being a developed economy drags them down. 

South Korea became the new kid on the block with substantially lower cost base in an underdeveloped economy, lower wages, less baggage to pay for so they could undercut the Japanese on all fronts. 

2) Japanese companies dominated the world when they were young and nimble, innovative full of enthusiasm and desire.  They became huge fat corporations which are notoriously difficult to steer and change, little innovation. 

Koreans are in that early cycle now. 

Mark my words some economy will suddenly start chucking out cheap innovative products in the future and take the Korean crown and they will look old and stale, out of date.  Someone will wonder why Samsung don't dominate anymore and where Indonesia or someone came from to become a global tech giant. 

Who saw Apple overtaking Microsoft who seemed untouchable? I think we're starting to see the cracks in Apple now also, they have certainly treated customers with contempt who have turned their back on their pricing. The mistrust and dissatisfaction can grow and with their size they may struggle to innovate. 

Of course they will always be there but like Japanese companies may no longer be the top dog and considered cool anymore. 

I mentioned a Sony Walkman the other day and my kids had no idea what I meant.  Something so popular it's product name became the generic term for what it was. Now lost in 20 years. 

That's what I reckon anyway. 

 

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japan's actually has a name, they call it the lost decade

they manipulated exchange rates in the 80s making the $ great vs the yen but causing a bubble, lots of loans, lots of debt, decline in sales, low inflation and ageing population

the other thing i've seen is the argument that japan is way behind in terms of digital equipment, software etc they pioneered machines, saw a comparison of a walkman vs an ipod, the mechanics of they operate are completely different, theres no computer chip in a walkman, and then its not just the product itself non japanese companies like apple and samsung have pioneered manufacturing techniques so they're making their products at less cost too

im sure the only thing that keeps sony going is the playstation

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and china is taking the lot...sharp and toshiba have both quietly been bought out, probably because they know a chinese product wont crack the american market so they can keep the branding

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1 hour ago, villa4europe said:

 

im sure the only thing that keeps sony going is the playstation

It’s my understanding that they sold the PS4 at a loss financially as a “halo” product. It keeps Sony as a household name but they actually lose money on manufacturing it.

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7 hours ago, TheAuthority said:

It’s my understanding that they sold the PS4 at a loss financially as a “halo” product. It keeps Sony as a household name but they actually lose money on manufacturing it.

The console itself maybe but the division had $4.9bn in sales and $800m in profit last year

Things like PS+ and the accessories must be hugely profitable 

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18 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Obviously I'm not an American, and this is just my very general impression which an actual American can say is complete rubbish, but it seems to me that baseball has gradually lost attention relative to Am. football and basketball over recent decades. 

I think that’s pretty accurate. 

Baseball is going through a period of self-scrutiny at the moment, trying to come up with innovations to make the game faster in order to attract the younger audience (I think numbers show that the average baseball fan is getting older). Of course, most of these innovations tend to upset the purists and the established fan base, so it’s a bit of a dilemma. 

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6 minutes ago, Michelsen said:

I think that’s pretty accurate. 

Baseball is going through a period of self-scrutiny at the moment, trying to come up with innovations to make the game faster in order to attract the younger audience (I think numbers show that the average baseball fan is getting older). Of course, most of these innovations tend to upset the purists and the established fan base, so it’s a bit of a dilemma. 

That's the sign of a declining and/or boring sport imo.

Snooker and Cricket spring to mind. Both have to invent shorter versions and try to make them more appealing, and try to inject fake excitement and atmosphere mainly because the real versions are too boring to hold a decent audience.

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4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

That's the sign of a declining and/or boring sport imo.

Snooker and Cricket spring to mind. Both have to invent shorter versions and try to make them more appealing, and try to inject fake excitement and atmosphere mainly because the real versions are too boring to hold a decent audience.

Which is why I think baseball needs to be careful. Limits on mound visits and ad breaks, a pitch clock etc is fine to cut down on ‘dead’ time, but don’t change the nature of the game. Baseball is a slow game. Its slow pace is where the drama and tension of the game is. 

And it’s still America’s national pastime and wildly profitable - it ain’t excactly broke, so don’t mess it up trying to fix it. 

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11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

That's the sign of a declining and/or boring sport imo.

Snooker and Cricket spring to mind. Both have to invent shorter versions and try to make them more appealing, and try to inject fake excitement and atmosphere mainly because the real versions are too boring to hold a decent audience.

I wouldn't say any sport is boring, to the people who enjoy it - but you are right to name cricket as an example. 

So from going from Test cricket (4/5 days) to one day games (100 overs).. then you had Twenty Twenty cricket introduced in 2001 (with the first world cup being in 2007) - all because sponsors and crowds were on the wane.  Now they are trying to do 100 ball cricket, which will start in 2020.. T20 games only take 2.5 hours!  It doesn't make sense.  

There will always be people who play the game, but it's the incessant money grabbing and TV which drives the sports into the ground.  It's all too commercial.  Which is why I guess we have football on 7 days a week.. It's getting too much. 

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When I was in the US, many years ago, I had some long discussions with my American relatives about sport - and I found a lot of parallels between US baseball/gridiron and UK cricket/football. I heard similar generational arguments: 

Young guy: Baseball goes on too long, it's boring, it's all about tedious stats, batting averages, etc. 

Old guy: You have to appreciate the subtlety, it's like chess, you youngsters have too short an attention span, etc. 

Not to mention all the nostalgia about long hot summer afternoons of long ago, the evocative sounds and smells, and so on. 

Sounds like baseball is going down the 20/20 cricket route, which the old guys will say debases the game. 

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14 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

Sounds like baseball is going down the 20/20 cricket route. 

I’d say, perhaps with a dose of wishful thinking, that is unlikely. 

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51 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

When I was in the US, many years ago, I had some long discussions with my American relatives about sport - and I found a lot of parallels between US baseball/gridiron and UK cricket/football. I heard similar generational arguments: 

Young guy: Baseball goes on too long, it's boring, it's all about tedious stats, batting averages, etc. 

Old guy: You have to appreciate the subtlety, it's like chess, you youngsters have too short an attention span, etc. 

Not to mention all the nostalgia about long hot summer afternoons of long ago, the evocative sounds and smells, and so on. 

Sounds like baseball is going down the 20/20 cricket route, which the old guys will say debases the game. 

Just to be clear, this is rounders with an oversized bat we're talking about? A traditional girls game?

Then there's netball with running, another girls game

Ice Hockey is just a girls field game played on ice

NFL type Gridiron Football is Rugby made dangerous by all the armour, girlified rugby

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14 hours ago, sidcow said:

Who saw Apple overtaking Microsoft who seemed untouchable?

I worked for Apple back in the 80's and 90's  ... it was rather niche  and clearly a superior product but what Corporate clients we did have soon phased out from Powerbooks and Duos to Win based platforms , the fact that Microsoft released Office upgrades much later on the Mac platform didn't help in the corporate world   

I went to a prototype meeting one day with touch screen monitors and Apple newtons ..both products were crap really and i sorta recall saying to myself , if this is Apples future they are doomed  .... luckily I said it quietly and some genius sorta went away and merged the clunky touch screen and shrunk the newton and the rest is history

 

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I remember my Psion being the absolute muts.

Who saw them being overtaken by masters of the universe, Blackberry.

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8 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

That's the sign of a declining and/or boring sport imo.

Snooker and Cricket spring to mind. Both have to invent shorter versions and try to make them more appealing, and try to inject fake excitement and atmosphere mainly because the real versions are too boring to hold a decent audience.

i don't think its the sport that has got boring, its the attention span of the public has got shorter. We live in an instant gratification era now where everything has to be instantaneous. I'm just as bad, I used to love reading but haven't read a book in ages - i'm too distracted all the time! 

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4 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

I worked for Apple back in the 80's and 90's  ... it was rather niche  and clearly a superior product but what Corporate clients we did have soon phased out from Powerbooks and Duos to Win based platforms , the fact that Microsoft released Office upgrades much later on the Mac platform didn't help in the corporate world   

I went to a prototype meeting one day with touch screen monitors and Apple newtons ..both products were crap really and i sorta recall saying to myself , if this is Apples future they are doomed  .... luckily I said it quietly and some genius sorta went away and merged the clunky touch screen and shrunk the newton and the rest is history

 

It amuses me to think back to the early days of computing when Apple was seen as the plucky upstart and championed by people against the big evil Microsoft. Nowadays the same people are probably hating on Apple and labelling everyone who has an Apple product as an 'iSheep'*

 

*anyone who uses that phrase is already written off as a human being. 

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8 hours ago, BOF said:

But it's usually pixelated.

Can't stand it. They're usually whimpering and squealing before its anywhere near their bush (and yes, they often resemble bushes!)

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