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Just now, bickster said:

There's a lot of that amongst the older folk in Liverpool

I always assumed that it was because he was a Scouse exiled in Birmingham, with a blanket loyalty to his old stomping ground - and wondered if he would preferred one or the other had he stayed on Merseyside. Maybe not, though. He admired the Best/Law/Charlton Man Utd, but disliked Revie's Leeds, all London clubs, and anybody managed by Brian Clough. And he was born in Dublin, and professed equal support for the Ireland and England national teams. 

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Just now, mjmooney said:

I always assumed that it was because he was a Scouse exiled in Birmingham, with a blanket loyalty to his old stomping ground - and wondered if he would preferred one or the other had he stayed on Merseyside. Maybe not, though. He admired the Best/Law/Charlton Man Utd, but disliked Revie's Leeds, all London clubs, and anybody managed by Brian Clough. And he was born in Dublin, and professed equal support for the Ireland and England national teams. 

I meet a lot of old fellas in their 70's and older who profess to treat both clubs equally, I guess they are probably much younger than your Dad, it clearly was a thing but definitely not any more

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On 07/02/2019 at 16:05, Wainy316 said:

Yep, Blues fans (as 'orrible as they are) over Brummie Reds any day of the week.

The absolute worst are the brummie reds who discovered their lifelong loyalty for the blose after they got promoted 15 or so years ago. I don't hear much from them nowadays...

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Bit of a nostalgic thing here and prompted by the amount of kid’s tv I watch with my kid...

When I was aged about 5 through to 10 (so the late 80’s through to the mid 90’s), I remember seeing the classic Warner bros. cartoons all the time - bugs, daffy and that lot, the Tex Avery stuff. 

What I’m wondering, is when they stopped showing them. I’m sure there’s a sky kids channel that has them, but I wonder when/why they ceased being on a terrestrial channel. 

I know they’re old cartoons so maybe they’re a bit old hat, (I reckon they’d be alright) but they weren’t exactly brand new when I saw them as a kid.

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10 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said:

Bit of a nostalgic thing here and prompted by the amount of kid’s tv I watch with my kid...

When I was aged about 5 through to 10 (so the late 80’s through to the mid 90’s), I remember seeing the classic Warner bros. cartoons all the time - bugs, daffy and that lot, the Tex Avery stuff. 

What I’m wondering, is when they stopped showing them. I’m sure there’s a sky kids channel that has them, but I wonder when/why they ceased being on a terrestrial channel. 

I know they’re old cartoons so maybe they’re a bit old hat, (I reckon they’d be alright) but they weren’t exactly brand new when I saw them as a kid.

Is it down to them being a bit 'un PC' nowadays that the networks are scared to show them. With the racial stereotypes, violence, smoking, etc. That's what I remember reading anyway. Not sure if there is any truth to it?

Anyway, from Family Guy, this always makes me laugh

 

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4 minutes ago, Xela said:

Is it down to them being a bit 'un PC' nowadays that the networks are scared to show them. With the racial stereotypes, violence, smoking, etc. That's what I remember reading anyway. Not sure if there is any truth to it?

 

Maybe some of the stuff is (that wolf character that used to wolf whistle at the cartoon lady definitely would be frowned on now) but what’s “un PC” about Wile E. Coyote? Or Elmer Fudd not killing a rabbit and/or duck?

Porky Pig having a stutter might be questioned now I guess. And Sylvester having a lisp.

I’m just curious when they decided to stop showing them, that and stuff like “Top Cat”. They were on when I was a kid and it’s as if at some point in the past twenty or so years they’ve said “these old cartoons, they’re a bit too old now, so let’s not knock it on the head.*”

*with an ACME approved anvil.

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8 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said:

Maybe some of the stuff is (that wolf character that used to wolf whistle at the cartoon lady definitely would be frowned on now) but what’s “un PC” about Wile E. Coyote? Or Elmer Fudd not killing a rabbit and/or duck?

Porky Pig having a stutter might be questioned now I guess. And Sylvester having a lisp.

I’m just curious when they decided to stop showing them, that and stuff like “Top Cat”. They were on when I was a kid and it’s as if at some point in the past twenty or so years they’ve said “these old cartoons, they’re a bit too old now, so let’s not knock it on the head.*”

*with an ACME approved anvil.

I assume it was to do with the violence.  The Simpsons obviously satirised it with Itchy and Scratchy and that episode where Marge started the campaign against them, so I assume there was something bubbling up in the 90s.  I can vaguely remember them being on when I started secondary school probably mid to late 90s.  I don't think the main terrestrial channels show any kids TV any more.

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4 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

I assume it was to do with the violence.  The Simpsons obviously satirised it with Itchy and Scratchy and that episode where Marge started the campaign against them, so I assume there was something bubbling up in the 90s.  I can vaguely remember them being on when I started secondary school probably mid to late 90s.  I don't think the main terrestrial channels show any kids TV any more.

Channel 5 do in the morning, they have a morning kids section with Peppa Pig etc. But you’re generally right, they kind of have their own freeview channels.

Maybe it’s the violence, I never really considered them violent but then having grown up watching the cartoons I’m less likely to I guess.

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We temper our granddaughter's wholesome TV diet of CBeebies with a healthy dose of Top Cat and Looney Toons. She loves them. 

EDIT: Thinking back, when our kids were little (the 90s - He-Man, Transformers, etc.) they also loved watching VHS tapes of old 1930s and 40s cartoons (Felix the Cat and so on). 

Edited by mjmooney

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It’s kind of interesting that it seems that society in general is increasingly concerned with the likes of what was mentioned above in the cartoons, yet there seems to be a very relaxed attitude towards the increasingly adult themes kids are exposed to through, in particular, music (the likes of Little Mix being marketed to 5 year-olds), 8 year-olds having Instagram accounts, spending countless hours on YouTube and having their own smart phones.

I really haven’t explained what I mean very well at all but it’s almost like attitudes are moving in both directions at the same time - people getting antsy about anything edgy in cartoons but not caring about kids being exposed to potentially more harmful negative influences elsewhere.

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On 08/02/2019 at 17:51, mjmooney said:

Perhaps even more strange, those who support multiple local teams. The father of one of my mates used to always get a season ticket for either Villa, Blues, Albion or Wolves, changing each year. And my Dad (from Merseyside) happily admitted to supporting Liverpool AND Everton. Weird. 

Some of my family are a bit like that. I have one or two relatives who 'just want the Midlands to do well', and I guess that's rubbed off on me to the extent that I'd rather a nose than a Brummie Red. 

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14 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said:

When I was aged about 5 through to 10 (so the late 80’s through to the mid 90’s), I remember seeing the classic Warner bros. cartoons all the time - bugs, daffy and that lot, the Tex Avery stuff. 

What I’m wondering, is when they stopped showing them. 

Glad I stumbled into this thread. Also having a little one who will be 8 in a couple of weeks time, used to be hooked on the likes of In the night garden and Disney channel etc. When she was growing up.

Most of the time I felt today's cartoons were teaching kids how to be stupid, if anything. (There was one cartoon especially that I stopped her watching cause of that reason but I forget it's name now). 

As for 'our generation' growing up, alot has changed and they must have stopped showing these around the turn of the millenium i'd guess?

14 hours ago, Xela said:

Is it down to them being a bit 'un PC' nowadays that the networks are scared to show them. With the racial stereotypes, violence, smoking, etc. That's what I remember reading anyway. Not sure if there is any truth to it?

You're spot on Alex. The PC part and images unfit for kids etc played a masdive part in alot of our cartoons being either changed and modernised to 'suit'.

A classic I love are the old Tom & Jerry's by Fred Quimby.

There's an episode "Texas Tom" where he, Tom, is on a ranch impressing some dame cat, serenading her whilst having a fag in his mouth. - Soon wiped off the air and forced to change if it was to remain on Telly.

I think with alot of the Cartoons, there is so much 'bad PC content within them' that it's easier for them to scrap them and roll out out new shit like we see today.

14 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said:

but what’s “un PC” about Wile E. Coyote? Or Elmer Fudd not killing a rabbit and/or duck?

Porky Pig having a stutter might be questioned now I guess. And Sylvester having a lisp.

I’m just curious when they decided to stop showing them, that and stuff like “Top Cat”. They were on when I was a kid and it’s as if at some point in the past twenty or so years they’ve said “these old cartoons, they’re a bit too old now, so let’s not knock it on the head.*”

You're right.

With all diversity nowadays what is so wrong with Sylvester having a speech impediment, or PP having a stutter?

We're taught to treat everyone as equals arn't we?

Some of the stuff referenced within may also be frowned up which could be another reason?

14 hours ago, sharkyvilla said:

I assume it was to do with the violence.  The Simpsons obviously satirised it with Itchy and Scratchy and that episode where Marge started the campaign against them, so I assume there was something bubbling up in the 90s.  I can vaguely remember them being on when I started secondary school probably mid to late 90s.  I don't think the main terrestrial channels show any kids TV any more.

I think violence also plays a part, sadly

Things like Sylvester trying to get Tweety in a frying pan, or Jerry Knocking seven shades of shit out of Tom with a bat etc, If the big Bulldog wasn't skinning him alive first.

They we're brilliant cartoons growing up but none of it ever made an influence on me to ever go and beat the shit out of my dog or put a bird in a pot of water.

The last time I remember terrestrial tv showing cartoons was in the 90's. Morph (Legend), Fun House, Art Attack, Tots TV, Rosie & Jim etc. All when I was in secondary school but my neice would be round watching them when babysat.

By this stage though I was more into playing Grand theft auto on the PS1 or tuning in to Sky Sports on friday night watching Steve Austin raising hell and beating the shit out of Vince McMahon,, or Sable revealing her 'puppies'.

12 hours ago, mjmooney said:

We temper our granddaughter's wholesome TV diet of CBeebies with a healthy dose of Top Cat and Looney Toons. She loves them. 

EDIT: Thinking back, when our kids were little (the 90s - He-Man, Transformers, etc.) they also loved watching VHS tapes of old 1930s and 40s cartoons (Felix the Cat and so on). 

I agree with you MJ, I would often show my little one old Tom & Jerry episodes and she would be more hooked on them than the garbage she was being subjected to on Nickelodeon or Pop.

 

Sorry for the lengthy response guys.

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11 hours ago, JB said:

It’s kind of interesting that it seems that society in general is increasingly concerned with the likes of what was mentioned above in the cartoons, yet there seems to be a very relaxed attitude towards the increasingly adult themes kids are exposed to through, in particular, music (the likes of Little Mix being marketed to 5 year-olds), 8 year-olds having Instagram accounts, spending countless hours on YouTube and having their own smart phones.

I really haven’t explained what I mean very well at all but it’s almost like attitudes are moving in both directions at the same time - people getting antsy about anything edgy in cartoons but not caring about kids being exposed to potentially more harmful negative influences elsewhere.

Spot on JB. Banned PC csrtoons and the like, but yet ram social media in their faces, 4 little sluts (Little Prix as I call them) dancing and promoting a sluttery imagines to youngsters.

Or, if your a thick **** like my ex partner, think it's acceptable to subject our 6/7 year old to shit like Hollyoaks or Silent Witness..  then asks me why our daughter is hooked on watching youtube shite based on social media rage and developing an attitude problem!??? No I couldn't possibly hazard a **** guess why!??   Word removed!

- yet would often give me the 3rd degree over watching old Tom & Jerrys with her witnessing 2 animals trashing a house! (THOOOMASSSSSS!).

You just couldn't make it up.  🤦🏼‍♂️

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23 hours ago, mjmooney said:

We temper our granddaughter's wholesome TV diet of CBeebies with a healthy dose of Top Cat and Looney Toons. She loves them. 

EDIT: Thinking back, when our kids were little (the 90s - He-Man, Transformers, etc.) they also loved watching VHS tapes of old 1930s and 40s cartoons (Felix the Cat and so on). 

I was the same when I was a kid. Any cartoon really got watched.

Tom and Jerry, Felix the Cat, Laurel and Hardy (cartoon), load of old Looney Tunes stuff, Betty Boop, Popeye etc

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Is there a country that is just ok at making cheese?

Seems to me you either get it and make great cheese or don't get it and make some rubbery almost fake shit

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25 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

Is there a country that is just ok at making cheese?

Seems to me you either get it and make great cheese or don't get it and make some rubbery almost fake shit

The Netherlands is the spiritual home of mediocre cheese.

Everywhere else falls into one of the two categories you identified, though.

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1 hour ago, blandy said:

Over there it's made backwards.

This is advanced

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3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

This is advanced

It's semi-hard, I suppose.

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