Dodgyknees Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Rafa - dismal anti-football, spent a fortune on some real duds, known to have a tantrum...the worst possible choice. Obviously you're entitled to favour whichever managerial appointment you like. But with respect, that isn't a very well-informed assessment at all. What would you suggest then? Maybe ask a few fans on a Liverpool board and bring it back here for us to look over? Not a lot of us are fans of his. Edit: that sounds sarcastic and I want to assure you, it is not written with that intent, I am genuinely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete165 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I know that it's only a bit of recent betting, but if it IS Benitez, there's something that some people on here need to contemplate. In Rafa's words - THE FACTS! -He's a dour man at times, stubborn and sarcastic at his worst - but he WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and got to another final. -Some don't like his defensive side and zonal marking, squad rotations etc but he WON TWO LA LIGA TITLES -He's not the flavour of the month after his Liverpool showing, but the last club that wanted him were at the time EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS -He's not going to be as popular as Ancelotti on here, but IN COMPARISON WITH OUR PREVIOUS BOSSES, HE'S ACTUALLY IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE RESULTS-WISE! I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. We could do worse, no? Ps. I didn't even have to mention the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA cups, etc did I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Rafa - dismal anti-football, spent a fortune on some real duds, known to have a tantrum...the worst possible choice. Obviously you're entitled to favour whichever managerial appointment you like. But with respect, that isn't a very well-informed assessment at all. Redman, your assessment will do for me, lets get him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdabush Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 How much could someone bet on a manager, based on some inside info, without getting in trouble? As much as you want. You can't get in trouble for have info, but you might get your 'insider' into trouble for leaking it Plenty of people have already made big bets on Rafa anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I dont want Maclaren at all but maybe Randy sees him as the answer to keeping our current player of the season? Who knows what goes on in the head of a club owner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Rafa - dismal anti-football, spent a fortune on some real duds, known to have a tantrum...the worst possible choice. Obviously you're entitled to favour whichever managerial appointment you like. But with respect, that isn't a very well-informed assessment at all. ex scouser - nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEgo Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I know that it's only a bit of recent betting, but if it IS Benitez, there's something that some people on here need to contemplate. In Rafa's words - THE FACTS! -He's a dour man at times, stubborn and sarcastic at his worst - but he WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and got to another final. -Some don't like his defensive side and zonal marking, squad rotations etc but he WON TWO LA LIGA TITLES -He's not the flavour of the month after his Liverpool showing, but the last club that wanted him were at the time EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS -He's not going to be as popular as Ancelotti on here, but IN COMPARISON WITH OUR PREVIOUS BOSSES, HE'S ACTUALLY IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE RESULTS-WISE! I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. We could do worse, no? Ps. I didn't even have to mention the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA cups, etc did I? Whilst assessing the facts, check out his win percentage during his career, head and shoulders above any manger we've had in revent years (with the exception of Inter, where I believe he only had something like 26 games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I know that it's only a bit of recent betting, but if it IS Benitez, there's something that some people on here need to contemplate. In Rafa's words - THE FACTS! -He's a dour man at times, stubborn and sarcastic at his worst - but he WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and got to another final. -Some don't like his defensive side and zonal marking, squad rotations etc but he WON TWO LA LIGA TITLES -He's not the flavour of the month after his Liverpool showing, but the last club that wanted him were at the time EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS -He's not going to be as popular as Ancelotti on here, but IN COMPARISON WITH OUR PREVIOUS BOSSES, HE'S ACTUALLY IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE RESULTS-WISE! I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. We could do worse, no? Ps. I didn't even have to mention the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA cups, etc did I? You are aware that if the FSW is our manager he will bring his own team in....thus dispensing of our youth academy staff..he did at Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Rafa - dismal anti-football, spent a fortune on some real duds, known to have a tantrum...the worst possible choice. Obviously you're entitled to favour whichever managerial appointment you like. But with respect, that isn't a very well-informed assessment at all. What would you suggest then? Maybe ask a few fans on a Liverpool board and bring it back here for us to look over? Not a lot of us are fans of his. Edit: that sounds sarcastic and I want to assure you, it is not written with that intent, I am genuinely interested. It might be worth reading the following excerpts from Brian Reade's recent book. These shed a lot of light on the sort of nonsense Rafa had to deal with during his time at Liverpool: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-was-dragged-to-its-knees-during-the-shambolic-reign-of-US-owners-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillett-article725227.html http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-co-owner-thought-Steven-Gerrard-was-gay-article725313.html http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Day-Three-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-owners-Hicks-and-Gillett-betrayed-Rafa-Benitez-and-wooed-Jurgen-Klinsmann-article725482.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdabush Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. Strange 'facts' those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambles Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I went for Gus Poyet. Has done well at Brighton so far and is a younger manager with something to prove. I've always been impressed with him in interviews, he comes across as very switched on and passionate, has played at the highest level and know the English game inside out. I think he'd be willing to work with most of the existing squad too and build for the future rather than buying shit loads of expensive foreign imports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete165 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I know that it's only a bit of recent betting, but if it IS Benitez, there's something that some people on here need to contemplate. In Rafa's words - THE FACTS! -He's a dour man at times, stubborn and sarcastic at his worst - but he WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and got to another final. -Some don't like his defensive side and zonal marking, squad rotations etc but he WON TWO LA LIGA TITLES -He's not the flavour of the month after his Liverpool showing, but the last club that wanted him were at the time EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS -He's not going to be as popular as Ancelotti on here, but IN COMPARISON WITH OUR PREVIOUS BOSSES, HE'S ACTUALLY IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE RESULTS-WISE! I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. We could do worse, no? Ps. I didn't even have to mention the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA cups, etc did I? You are aware that if the FSW is our manager he will bring his own team in....thus dispensing of our youth academy staff..he did at Liverpool. If it means us being successful, sometimes you have to accept change. You can't keep everything as it is, then complain about mediocrity - simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I think his win percentage at Inter was still something like 45% which is 20% above Houllier's, yes Rafa had a better team but that is a massive leap. Still, redman, would you do as I requested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambles Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Rafa - dismal anti-football, spent a fortune on some real duds, known to have a tantrum...the worst possible choice. Obviously you're entitled to favour whichever managerial appointment you like. But with respect, that isn't a very well-informed assessment at all. What would you suggest then? Maybe ask a few fans on a Liverpool board and bring it back here for us to look over? Not a lot of us are fans of his. Edit: that sounds sarcastic and I want to assure you, it is not written with that intent, I am genuinely interested. It might be worth reading the following excerpts from Brian Reade's recent book. These shed a lot of light on the sort of nonsense Rafa had to deal with during his time at Liverpool: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-was-dragged-to-its-knees-during-the-shambolic-reign-of-US-owners-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillett-article725227.html http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-co-owner-thought-Steven-Gerrard-was-gay-article725313.html http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Day-Three-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-owners-Hicks-and-Gillett-betrayed-Rafa-Benitez-and-wooed-Jurgen-Klinsmann-article725482.html What was his exuse at Internazionale then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. We could do worse, no? Ps. I didn't even have to mention the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA cups, etc did I? Are you sure about that? On european cups, 1 each on every other measure? FAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete165 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I just can't quite believe the amount of seemingly intelligent villa fans that have become so picky that they wouldn't bite the hand off of a massively successful manager with bucketloads of contacts in the top leagues just because he came to a ignominious end at Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Whilst assessing the facts, check out his win percentage during his career, head and shoulders above any manger we've had in revent years (with the exception of Inter, where I believe he only had something like 26 games) Also, replacing Jose can't be too easy a task either I guess. A bit like Houllier replacing MON. The next manager at Man Utd faces a tough task in following Fergie etc. I'm warming to Rafa. Don't know why. I still think Hughes will be the man although the evidence says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Rafa - dismal anti-football, spent a fortune on some real duds, known to have a tantrum...the worst possible choice. Obviously you're entitled to favour whichever managerial appointment you like. But with respect, that isn't a very well-informed assessment at all. What would you suggest then? Maybe ask a few fans on a Liverpool board and bring it back here for us to look over? Not a lot of us are fans of his. Edit: that sounds sarcastic and I want to assure you, it is not written with that intent, I am genuinely interested. It might be worth reading the following excerpts from Brian Reade's recent book. These shed a lot of light on the sort of nonsense Rafa had to deal with during his time at Liverpool: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-was-dragged-to-its-knees-during-the-shambolic-reign-of-US-owners-Tom-Hicks-and-George-Gillett-article725227.html http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-co-owner-thought-Steven-Gerrard-was-gay-article725313.html http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/Brian-Reade-An-Epic-Swindle-44-Months-With-A-Pair-Of-Cowboys-Day-Three-Read-extract-of-how-Liverpool-owners-Hicks-and-Gillett-betrayed-Rafa-Benitez-and-wooed-Jurgen-Klinsmann-article725482.html no don't read it. Its just more scouse hype. Trust your instincts - RAFA is a shit manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete165 Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. We could do worse, no? Ps. I didn't even have to mention the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA cups, etc did I? Are you sure about that? On european cups, 1 each on every other measure? FAIL I hold my hands up there - a bit hyperbolic - but consider the recent history and you can see the point I'm making, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I know that it's only a bit of recent betting, but if it IS Benitez, there's something that some people on here need to contemplate. In Rafa's words - THE FACTS! -He's a dour man at times, stubborn and sarcastic at his worst - but he WON THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and got to another final. -Some don't like his defensive side and zonal marking, squad rotations etc but he WON TWO LA LIGA TITLES -He's not the flavour of the month after his Liverpool showing, but the last club that wanted him were at the time EUROPEAN CHAMPIONS -He's not going to be as popular as Ancelotti on here, but IN COMPARISON WITH OUR PREVIOUS BOSSES, HE'S ACTUALLY IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE RESULTS-WISE! I'm not his greatest fan, but you have to consider the 'facts' that he has won more in his career than Aston Villa have in their history. We could do worse, no? Ps. I didn't even have to mention the FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA cups, etc did I? You are aware that if the FSW is our manager he will bring his own team in....thus dispensing of our youth academy staff..he did at Liverpool. Considering how well your academy is doing, my guess is he'd leave it well alone. He fought for control of the Liverpool academy for years - not because he was on a power trip but because it wasn't producing any quality. Finally, he got his way in 2009 - appointed Borrell and Segura (ex La Masia) to run the show and now the youngsters are emerging. This current crop of kids coming through at Liverpool is Rafa's legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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