Mantis Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I think it's xenophobic to put nationality over ability. So international football is xenophobic? Messi has the ability to play for England but not the nationality. International football has to put nationality over ability otherwise it would just be club footballl...No. International football is about players from different nations competing against each other. I'm a firm believer that England should only have natural born English players playing for it. However, managers are different. The nationality of the manager makes little difference. Managers aren't the ones that play in the games. However the manager affects the game - he chooses the team, tactics, subs etc. If we're going to have all English players, then it makes sense to have an English manager as well. Having a foreign manager does not sit right with a lot of people - it is against the spirit of international football (i.e. our best vs their best.)International football is about our best players vs their best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 I think it's xenophobic to put nationality over ability. So international football is xenophobic? Messi has the ability to play for England but not the nationality. International football has to put nationality over ability otherwise it would just be club footballl...No. International football is about players from different nations competing against each other. I'm a firm believer that England should only have natural born English players playing for it. However, managers are different. The nationality of the manager makes little difference. Managers aren't the ones that play in the games. However the manager affects the game - he chooses the team, tactics, subs etc. If we're going to have all English players, then it makes sense to have an English manager as well. Having a foreign manager does not sit right with a lot of people - it is against the spirit of international football (i.e. our best vs their best.)International football is about our best players vs their best players. Let's say we were to have a match between the North and the South. The North has Northern players such as Rooney, Gerrard, Downing, Carroll, Milner etc The South has Southern players such as Ferdinand, Terry, Defoe, Bent etc You wouldn't appoint Harry Redknapp to be the manager of the North would you. Because Harry Redknapp is not a Northerner. The North would be managed by a Northerner and the South would be managed by a Southerner. It makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMilnereatsnails Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Would you have to have an englishman as Northern Manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I think it's xenophobic to put nationality over ability. So international football is xenophobic? Messi has the ability to play for England but not the nationality. International football has to put nationality over ability otherwise it would just be club footballl...No. International football is about players from different nations competing against each other. I'm a firm believer that England should only have natural born English players playing for it. However, managers are different. The nationality of the manager makes little difference. Managers aren't the ones that play in the games. However the manager affects the game - he chooses the team, tactics, subs etc. If we're going to have all English players, then it makes sense to have an English manager as well. Having a foreign manager does not sit right with a lot of people - it is against the spirit of international football (i.e. our best vs their best.)International football is about our best players vs their best players. Let's say we were to have a match between the North and the South. The North has Northern players such as Rooney, Gerrard, Downing, Carroll, Milner etc The South has Southern players such as Ferdinand, Terry, Defoe, Bent etc You wouldn't appoint Harry Redknapp to be the manager of the North would you. Because Harry Redknapp is not a Northerner. The North would be managed by a Northerner and the South would be managed by a Southerner. It makes sense.Again, it wouldn't matter, as it's about the players not the managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastleBromVilla Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 The sooner Harry Redknapp takes over and Capello moves on, the better. We may aswell no bother going to the Euro's, we've got no chance. There will be loads of hype in the build up, followed by the inevitable disaster of a tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Then when Redknapp takes over, we might as well not bother either as i will be inevitable disaster of a tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastleBromVilla Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Probabley, but think Redknapp will get more out of the players than Capello currently is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 It'd be the end of Bent's career though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Probabley, but think Redknapp will get more out of the players than Capello currently is. really, Redknapp has no tactical nous and this will be his reason for coming unstuck. PLus he has a man-crush on Defoe which would limit your team. Also doubt he would take job as no transfer fees for his extra-curricular activities It'd be the end of Bent's career though. Good, rather he continues playing for Villa and not run risk of injury or tapping up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 . With you for some reason nationality is more important. Yes because this is international football. The clue is in the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 . With you for some reason nationality is more important. Yes because this is international football. The clue is in the name. It's not called National football though. That is like saying a woman is a man because they have Man in their name!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 . With you for some reason nationality is more important. Yes because this is international football. The clue is in the name.Exactly, international football, not international managing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 . With you for some reason nationality is more important. Yes because this is international football. The clue is in the name.Exactly, international football, not international managing. Players, managers, coaches, physios, doctors - everyone should be English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hycus-flange Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 doesn't matter what nationality the manager is, England are always built up to be something they are not, they are always in amongst the favourites for any tournament they manage to qualify for and they always never live up to the hype, its always the same old players getting picked on media reputation, who always flatter to deceive and until we get a national manager with the balls to actually pick a player on merit, the international team is dead to me. I cant remember the last time I wanted to watch an England game, tell a lie, it was in the world cup against Germany, I supported Germany. They had a team of hungry young players and were good to watch, unlike our shower of shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 What about the people who sell refreshments at Wembley? Should they be English too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted October 9, 2011 Visiting Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2011 What about the people who sell refreshments at Wembley? Should they be English too? The manager's an important part of football, having a foreign one just isn't right to me. However, all English managers are pretty shite right now, so I'll vote for Phil Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 However, all English managers are pretty shite right now, so I'll vote for Phil Brown. at least he do a good job on the national anthem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 What about the people who sell refreshments at Wembley? Should they be English too? Now your being silly... The manager is representing our country. The people who sell refreshments are not. If you can't understand why people would want the England manager to be English then there is no hope for you mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 What about the people who sell refreshments at Wembley? Should they be English too? Now your being silly... The manager is representing our country. The people who sell refreshments are not. If you can't understand why people would want the England manager to be English then there is no hope for you mate... Oh I understand why. In an ideal world the England manager would be both English and the best man for the job ability-wise. However, that's not really possible right now, therefore ability should come first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 England are always built up to be something they are not, they are always in amongst the favourites for any tournament they manage to qualify for and they always never live up to the hype That's only in this country. I can't see any people outside of England holding the team in high regard. England will get knocked out by the first decent side they face. The players' excuse will be that they couldn't understand Capello and we need an English manager blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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