bobzy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 5 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Koeman wasn't particularly good at Benfica, was a disaster at Valencia and had a disasterous start to his second season at AZ, so has this in his locker. I never thought he was as good as people were making out. His record is pretty good overall tbh. I’d happily have him at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 They should go for Benitez. That would be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 6 hours ago, omariqy said: Really not sure why they didn't break the bank for Benteke. He would've been perfect for them. We are thinking of the Benteke that played for us. He hasn't scored a goal this season. If he cant do it for Palace why would he do it at Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 hours ago, bobzy said: I have no idea why they spent so much on Sigurdsson but then haven't set up around him. They need to do that IMO - he's a quality player and a top signing but they're just letting him... drift out of games. Completely bizarre. Big problem I think with that is Rooney drifts off the front man and occupies the space Glyfi wants to be in...look at where Rooney picked up the ball and scored from yesterday. That was the space where Sigurdsson was in last year for Swansea. Interesting who they get in as manager next. Short term fix just to keep them up or a long term appointment. It would have to be someone awful to actually relegate them whoever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 4 hours ago, villakram said: Dyche would be a fool to go there. The very definition of a dead end job. He should be aiming for a shot at a CL club, doesn't have to be in blighty either, if he continues at his current trajectory with Burnley. Everton are hardly some hopeless club. They've finished in top 7 in recent times (just last year) and first season under Martinez and let's not forget Moshiri is now calling the shots and he's invested far more in 18 months than Bill Kenwright did in 10 years. This year is a write off but I think this is a good job for a Dyche or Eddie Howe to take on, neither are going to get a look in at any of the top 6 so Everton imo remains the best bet. Regularly qualify them for europe and try to win them a cup and that will get them in contention for top jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Zatman said: Ryan Giggs interested in the job. Man has some neck Could genuinely see Giggs relegating Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, PaulC said: We are thinking of the Benteke that played for us. He hasn't scored a goal this season. If he cant do it for Palace why would he do it at Everton Actually I was thinking of the Benteke that scored 15 in 36 league games last season in a side far worse than Everton’s team this season. He would have been a very logical target in the summer and fitting replacement for Lukaku. Palace have been horrible this season, I don’t for one minute think Benteke has declined since last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, VillaChris said: Everton are hardly some hopeless club. They've finished in top 7 in recent times (just last year) and first season under Martinez and let's not forget Moshiri is now calling the shots and he's invested far more in 18 months than Bill Kenwright did in 10 years. This year is a write off but I think this is a good job for a Dyche or Eddie Howe to take on, neither are going to get a look in at any of the top 6 so Everton imo remains the best bet. Regularly qualify them for europe and try to win them a cup and that will get them in contention for top jobs. I don't mean that they are a hopeless club, but I see a pretty firm ceiling in front of them now. Howe and Dyche have both demonstrated burgeoning excellence and should be given a shot. It's not like picking experience is doing some magic job. Italy/Germany/France/Holland and even Spain all appoint young managers on an upward curve to the top jobs, but not the precious premier league. Fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 24, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: Carragher laughed off the giggs link. He wouldn't last two minutes at Everton. Carragher is one of those people that thinks he's more intelligent than he actually is All Giggs would have to do to last more than two minutes at Everton is show his dislike for Liverpool Giggs would be shit though 4 hours ago, Demitri_C said: They should go for Benitez. That would be interesting It'd be hilarious, now he genuinely wouldn't last two minutes. Benitez is totally overrated as a manager anyway but he'd constantly be paying his respects to Liverpool, he couldn't help himself They don't call Everton fans bitter for no reason. I've known plenty of them support Man Utd when they are playing Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 5 hours ago, bickster said: Carragher is one of those people that thinks he's more intelligent than he actually is All Giggs would have to do to last more than two minutes at Everton is show his dislike for Liverpool Giggs would be shit though It'd be hilarious, now he genuinely wouldn't last two minutes. Benitez is totally overrated as a manager anyway but he'd constantly be paying his respects to Liverpool, he couldn't help himself They don't call Everton fans bitter for no reason. I've known plenty of them support Man Utd when they are playing Liverpool. I agree that Benitez would shoot himself in the foot at Everton regarding Liverpool, but I don't think he's overrated at all. Very good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted October 24, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 24, 2017 If they are serious about challenging in the future then they should poach Silva from Watford. Whether he would go is another question but that would show they mean business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Only Niasse looks like he might score regular goals, which makes them a fairly unattractive proposition. Rooney could score more but won't be told or coached, and nobody else looks like reaching five for the season. Ironically, they'd probably be better off with a Pulis/Big Sam type (not them, but of that mould) until January, when they can panic-buy the striker they need. However, you can't appoint a manager for just a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Kevin kilbane slaughtered walsh on the radio and pretty much blamed his ego for not bringing in Giroud. Also said he isnt shy to tell you about his role in Leicester success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Phil Neville has thrown his hat into the ring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Phil Neville. Ryan Giggs. Get down to league 2 and learn your trade you pair of tossers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 24, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 24, 2017 The arrogance of former top players annoys me, just because they played at the elite level doesn’t mean they are entitled to manage there. They should be filling to start where they are given an opportunity to learn. It would be in their own interests if they want to succeed as a manager, when they only want top jobs it makes me think it’s more about ego, money and their inability to let go of the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: The arrogance of former top players annoys me, just because they played at the elite level doesn’t mean they are entitled to manage there. They should be filling to start where they are given an opportunity to learn. It would be in their own interests if they want to succeed as a manager, when they only want top jobs it makes me think it’s more about ego, money and their inability to let go of the dressing room. From personal experience of dealing with them you are spot on. Jobs are given and expected based on what kind of personality they are in the dressing room and who their pals are. Rather than on their ability as managers/coaches. It's all about character rater than ability or a mix of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 24, 2017 Moderator Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 minute ago, omariqy said: From personal experience of dealing with them you are spot on. Jobs are given and expected based on what kind of personality they are in the dressing room and who their pals are. Rather than on their ability as managers/coaches. It's all about character rater than ability or a mix of both. I’m not surprised. No ex player should be given a job in the PL as their first managerial position. None. To do so is reckless ownership, it’s mind blowing that it happens. In what other business would that happen? And let’s not kid ourselves that PL clubs aren’t first and foremost businesses. Its madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I can only think of Zidane as a big name player that has gone on to be successful as a manager early on in his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I’m not surprised. No ex player should be given a job in the PL as their first managerial position. None. To do so is reckless ownership, it’s mind blowing that it happens. In what other business would that happen? And let’s not kid ourselves that PL clubs aren’t first and foremost businesses. Its madness. Just out of interest, how often does it happen, these days? Are there many examples of it in the last five years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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